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<p><a href="//media.invisioncic.com/l328829/monthly_2026_01/IMG_0232.JPG.2e74dbadd49df095504f66e969d670fa.JPG" class="ipsAttachLink ipsAttachLink_image" ><img data-fileid="140930" src="//media.invisioncic.com/l328829/monthly_2026_01/IMG_0232.JPG.2e74dbadd49df095504f66e969d670fa.JPG" height="842" width="1200" class="ipsImage ipsImage_thumbnailed" alt="IMG_0232.JPG" loading='lazy'></a></p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">125062</guid><pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2026 19:17:05 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Indicator relay swap</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/124985-indicator-relay-swap/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone changed the indicator relay for a louder one (a common mod on the Exige V6) as I've had problems with accidentally leaving them on a few times, as they dont always self cancel out and </p><p>are shown deep in the corners so not so obvious to me at times.</p><p></p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">124985</guid><pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2025 10:21:06 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>loose bonnet hinge</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/124498-loose-bonnet-hinge/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>My front bonnet passenger side hinge is loose at its base and I cant see how you can get at it to tighten whatever is under there?</p><p>Any ideas welcome.</p><p>Martin</p><p><img class="ipsImage ipsRichText__align--block" data-fileid="138936" src="//media.invisioncic.com/l328829/monthly_2025_09/20250922_164719.jpg.c5183d881ec517954906c3d3460b18d0.jpg" alt="20250922_164719.jpg" title="" width="1252" height="2224" loading="lazy"></p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">124498</guid><pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2025 15:52:12 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>moving the tool bag to a better place</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/124947-moving-the-tool-bag-to-a-better-place/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>The tool bag seems to me to be in annoying place and constantly gets in the way when putting bags in the boot. </p><p>Has anyone moved theirs somewhere else yet, if you have where too and what fixings, as I will be moving my soon and its always good to have options.</p><p>Martin S</p><p></p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">124947</guid><pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2025 15:56:39 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Paint bubbling issues</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/122740-paint-bubbling-issues/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	About time I think we started a separate thread for this issue which seems to be growing.  There are 3 or 4 posts <a href="https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/118759-emira-niggles-and-faults/#comments" rel="">here</a> in page 1 of Emira niggles but maybe a moderator can copy them to here to keep all together.  The other Emira Forum that is linked in those posts has a thread on this issue and even a poll of the car age to see if a common theme.
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	Seems as the cars age some of them are showing signs of paint bubbling on mainly the door tops. <span class="ipsEmoji">🤬</span> It appears whether car stored indoors or out and I'm getting the vibe they appear as they start getting to around a year old.  I am fairly sure my car has just started or I'd have noticed this previously and /or the detailer would have, and I have a line of about 5 or 6 bubbles along the top of the nearside door (right hand drive car).  My car is wrapped but not this far back and only G-Techniqued in this position.  
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	I looked at friends cars last night at a Club Lotus meeting and lo and behold one early car was clear and the other had the same or even worse than me and he hadn't previously seen them.  Both doors.  My car is a 7/23 1st reg but who knows when built, and friends car is a later one.  (he may post up here sometime). Seems the problem is the door manufacture process and the solution is new doors under warranty.  At least that way should be a better chance of a good match ex. factory.  I would post photos if I had any worthwhile but hard to get with reflections.
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	So my problem is now with the dealer so let's see what happens.  In the meantime I'd advise all owners to give your cars a thorough check! <img alt=":detective:" data-emoticon="" src="//media.invisioncic.com/l328829/emoticons/default_detective.gif" title=":detective:" />
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">122740</guid><pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2024 20:46:49 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Seatbelt buckle problem</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/124775-seatbelt-buckle-problem/</link><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">I have a problem with the seatbelt buckle (passenger side).  It wouldn't 'lock' when the latch plate was slotted in. After a few frustrated 'in/out' movements, it did click locked, but now it won't unlock. The red button simply will not depress, so the latch plate now remains locked into the buckle. Any suggestions?!</span></p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">124775</guid><pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2025 15:01:16 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Emira ICE defaults to radio on start up</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/124750-emira-ice-defaults-to-radio-on-start-up/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>Hi. </p><p>Every time I leave the car the ICE will default to radio and not the media in use when left. Even if you then select the USB feed even then you have to start again and reselect the playlist etc you were listening to and it’ll start at the beginning again. </p><p>Is there any way of getting it to remember what you were listening to and carrying on where you left off? </p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">124750</guid><pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2025 18:50:23 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Ow the charm of my Emiras issues</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/124623-ow-the-charm-of-my-emiras-issues/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>I was on a date last night and in lotus fassion the passanger door stopped working so we had to take her heels off and drag her accross the centre, anyone else had an intermitant door openening am i missing something ?</p><p></p><p>kind regards</p><p></p><p></p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">124623</guid><pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2025 06:53:49 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>No new SatNav maps (ever?) - UK at least</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/124451-no-new-satnav-maps-ever-uk-at-least/</link><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Just been advised (following my 2-year service) by my (somewhat embarrassed-sounding) UK dealer/service agent that "Lotus have advised that there is no update available or planned for the SatNav"!</span></p><p><span style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">I know most of us will be using our favourite navigation app via Apple Carplay/Android Auto already but why even bother developing an in-car system if it's not going to be supported?</span></p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">124451</guid><pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2025 15:55:20 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Special Colors</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/123438-special-colors/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>I swear I read a post about Lotus offering three new custom colors.  Orange, Bronze or Copper, and a metallic green.  Does anyone know:</p><ul><li><p>True of false?</p></li><li><p>Are those new colors or are they the same as a past color where you can lookup what it looks like?</p></li></ul><p>For example the copper Bond Esprit is spectacular.  The Evora Racing Green was great and I saw a cool sunset Orange metallic on an Evora as well.  </p><p>Just looking for more info. </p><p>Thanks!</p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">123438</guid><pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2025 21:14:20 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>KEF</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/123322-kef/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>So.  Just picked up my 2024  EMIRA (Its now 2/11/2025). Just arrived from Hethal.  Great driving machine. I've had lots of cars and this one is a driver.  HOWEVER. I am an old school audio file guy and love to hear music on a quality system.  I have LOTS of home equipment and have collected for years.  I have some home  KEF speaker ran by an Old NAD Amp I picked up while stationed in Europe in 80's.  OK. getting to the point....I am disappointed in the KEF audio in the new car.  My wife's Bose system in her Huyndai sounds better.  Booooo.....</p><p></p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">123322</guid><pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2025 00:17:06 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Windscreen Washers</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/123275-windscreen-washers/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	Anyone had problems with the windscreen washers not working.
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<p>
	The washer bottle on my car is full and when you activate the windscreen wipers and washers there is no sound from the pump which I presume is located in or near the bottle.
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<p>
	I have checked the fuse and it looks OK.
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<p>
	Any suggestions before I contact the dealer with the latest problem.
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">123275</guid><pubDate>Sun, 02 Feb 2025 16:08:18 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>A tad annoying windscreen 'chip'</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/122339-a-tad-annoying-windscreen-chip/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	Had this today and when the object hit at 80mph I never saw it coming.  
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	<img class="ipsImage ipsImage_thumbnailed" data-fileid="130586" data-ratio="133.33" width="4284" alt="IMG_7887.jpg.6d98b13072031ccd4cfcb7b064b6eac2.jpg" data-src="//media.invisioncic.com/l328829/monthly_2024_06/IMG_7887.jpg.6d98b13072031ccd4cfcb7b064b6eac2.jpg" src="https://forums.thelotusforums.com/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />
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<p>
	I just about s**t myself with the bang and it is quickly spreading unfortunately.  
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	Strange thing is if looked at from straight ahead you can't see impact point as front hinged clam and wiper are hiding it, so it has come in much more vertically than you would expect which is why I will not have seen it coming from van ahead.
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<p>
	Anybody else had a screen replaced yet?
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">122339</guid><pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2024 19:47:07 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>To PPF or not to PPF</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/122916-to-ppf-or-not-to-ppf/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#23345b;font-size:15px;text-align:left;">Hi. New to the forum, as a new owner.  I have a 1 year old, but pristine, Seneca blue.  I am planning on having the front PPFd, as I don't want to get stone chips like I did with my Cayman.  Someone has suggested that it could mess up the warranty, though.  Any views?</span>
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">122916</guid><pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2024 16:33:07 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>12v socket</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/122715-12v-socket/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	A friend of mine has managed to get a 2 day test drive of an Emira.
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<p>
	Is there s 12v socket in the cabin?
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">122715</guid><pubDate>Fri, 06 Sep 2024 22:18:56 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Emira Speedo mph/kph</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/120548-emira-speedo-mphkph/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	Just watched a video by  JP_FOX of a Nurburgring hot lap, it’s a RHD car, he is in track mode (I think) and the large speedo number is in KPH … how do you change from mph to kph? assuming it’s a uk spec car. I know how to set the kph in the small widget screen.
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">120548</guid><pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2023 20:37:04 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Voice command system</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/118877-voice-command-system/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	It appears that the voice command system is not installed, I have no option for voice examples in system settings. 
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<p>
	So why are there driver profiles, kind of used to the car switching on and asking who I am, but I don’t get this.
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<p>
	strange but voice command works with car play , but the nice apple person doesn’t understand when I want to change the temp
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<p>
	Is it not normal for a short press of mic button for car controls etc and long press for CarPlay ?<br />
	 
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<p>
	I had forgiven the lack of blind spot collision and front and rear collision, but I must admit I miss it, once you are used to it, it’s an essential safety tool.
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<p>
	Oh and why no app to tell me when I forgot to lock it and where I parked it and how much fuel is in it, and I guess when they update the software I have to drive to a dealer, feels like going a bit back in time.
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<p>
	The subwoofer is poor playing mp3 low bitrate but fine using flac , playing via usb 1 or usb2, the Kef produced bits sound good.
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<p>
	So you might get the impression that I am not particularly impressed with the infotainment system, I didn’t expect cutting edge, nor did I expect a jump backwards.
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">118877</guid><pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2023 14:11:00 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Location of Mirror Dimming sensors ?</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/121926-location-of-mirror-dimming-sensors/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	Does anyone know the location of the dimming sensors for the interior rear view and door mirrors ?
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<p>
	 
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<p>
	The reason I ask is that I'm not sure they are working on my Emira. When out at night, the headlights of following vehicles can be really quite distracting, particularly from the door mirrors.
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	I've tried changing the setting in the centre display, but it doesn't seem to make any difference.
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	Thanks
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	John
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">121926</guid><pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2024 10:26:24 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Tillett Emira Seats - B10 XL</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/121168-tillett-emira-seats-b10-xl/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	I bumped into Steve Tillett last weekend in his DV Emira and had a chance to try out the Tillett B10 XL's he's fitted to his car. 
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<p>
	They are lovely, they look amazing and were really comfortable. The form fitted me perfectly, full support from thigh to shoulder and very easy to slip in and out of. Worth a look if you wanted to change the seat to something sportier and of course, a lot lighter than the standard seat. 
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	<img class="ipsImage ipsImage_thumbnailed" data-fileid="126286" data-ratio="66.53" data-unique="8br5zeh5n" width="6048" alt="image.jpeg" data-src="//media.invisioncic.com/l328829/monthly_2023_11/image.jpeg.c5839f261af175ec7be679282d9b51f5.jpeg" src="https://forums.thelotusforums.com/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png">
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	<img class="ipsImage ipsImage_thumbnailed" data-fileid="126285" data-ratio="66.53" data-unique="85uc8x6v4" width="6048" alt="Emira B10 XL bracket and runner NK 2.jpg" data-src="//media.invisioncic.com/l328829/monthly_2023_11/EmiraB10XLbracketandrunnerNK2.jpg.f290945d3079a5323906bdd0084c02ba.jpg" src="https://forums.thelotusforums.com/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png">
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	<img class="ipsImage ipsImage_thumbnailed" data-fileid="126284" data-ratio="150.30" data-unique="6s0hq9um6" width="4024" alt="Emira B10 XL NK 2.jpg" data-src="//media.invisioncic.com/l328829/monthly_2023_11/EmiraB10XLNK2.jpg.3b57e99f8f6a2d8bdbfbd9f09982d6a2.jpg" src="https://forums.thelotusforums.com/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png">
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	<img class="ipsImage ipsImage_thumbnailed" data-fileid="126283" data-ratio="66.53" data-unique="ddyqv4yqs" width="6048" alt="B10 XL in a Emira 2 NK.jpg" data-src="//media.invisioncic.com/l328829/monthly_2023_11/B10XLinaEmira2NK.jpg.ea7b999d798ab920af15f184b880a2f3.jpg" src="https://forums.thelotusforums.com/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png">
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">121168</guid><pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2023 11:37:29 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Dashcam</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/120148-dashcam/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	Bought a new Apeman dashcam.  Came with a short cable - perfect !
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	<img class="ipsImage ipsImage_thumbnailed" data-fileid="122801" width="1200" alt="image.jpeg.f176330abf848b82f35915b0817fe0f3.jpeg" src="//media.invisioncic.com/l328829/monthly_2023_05/image.jpeg.f176330abf848b82f35915b0817fe0f3.jpeg" loading="lazy" height="264">
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">120148</guid><pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2023 20:20:54 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Self-fit/Pre-Cut PPF - now available - UK supplier</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/120755-self-fitpre-cut-ppf-now-available-uk-supplier/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#23345b;font-size:15px;">I've head dealings with Nick at Aliath in the past for headlight protectors (Evora and RR Velar) and black "shark fin" pieces (Evora).</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#23345b;font-size:15px;" />
	<br style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#23345b;font-size:15px;" />
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#23345b;font-size:15px;">I recently enquired about headlight protectors for my Emira (due soon...) and he's advised that a number of pre-cut PPF patterns are available and are now listed on his website here (there are 13 patterns over 2 pages) :</span>
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	<span style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#23345b;font-size:15px;"><a href="https://www.aliath.co.uk/search?page=1&amp;q=emira" rel="external nofollow">https://www.aliath.co.uk/search?page=1&amp;q=emira</a></span>
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<p>
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff;color:#23345b;font-size:15px;">Please note that :</span>
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		I have no connection with Nick other than as a customer - but the pieces that I have had before for self-fit have been great!
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		I don't know anything else about the templates (e.g. do they wrap around or have visible edges?) or which specific film he uses so please direct any questions directly to<span> </span><a href="https://www.aliath.co.uk/pages/contact-us" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:transparent;color:#ff0101;">Aliath</a>
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">120755</guid><pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2023 11:00:20 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>New colour samples available</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/120753-new-colour-samples-available/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	Was in London today so popped into the fancy dealership opposite the Ritz.  Nice enough staff, need to be given more in depth training on the company and a trip to the factory!
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<p>
	I asked about the new colours and the samples had arrived today, I later heard that Exeter got theirs too.
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<p>
	new blues are nice, though one is the blue equivalent of dark verdant… almost black inside the showroom… need to see it in sunlight!
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">120753</guid><pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2023 20:43:16 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>What do people do for a key ring?</title><link>https://forums.thelotusforums.com/topic/120737-what-do-people-do-for-a-key-ring/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	The fob is a chunky boi, and I have the tracker so also have a completely separate fob that has to live with the key.
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<p>
	Any suggestions for key rings, what are people using? 
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