Mod the V6S or look for a Cup?

[Neal H]

47 minutes ago, Gashead1105 said:

The silly approach, of course, would be to go straight for the bigger supercharger!!

This. Definitely this.

[550superfast]

44 minutes ago, French Frie said:

race pack or not, you should end up to 1,5° of front negative camber ... FYI, I've got -1° and two 1mm shims are remaining (including the one that supports the ABS wire), and 1mm shim is about 0.25°.

Should get more than that with shims out -1.8 - 2.0 neg (assume we are talking on the front)

[Gashead1105]

If I can achieve that then I think that means I don't need to do anything on the suspension. 

[Arun_D]

1 hour ago, Gashead1105 said:

If I can achieve that then I think that means I don't need to do anything on the suspension. 

That's not very exciting is it?! I'll have some Nitrons going spare once I get my Ohlins fitted.

[Gashead1105]

Ah but hopefully I will have an exciting alternative shortly...

[French Frie]

@550superfast: here's what I wrote when I did it : 

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just a quick update ... after a new set of tyres, I had the geo done yesterday... just before, I increased the front camber by removing two more 1mm shims each side, leaving only one 1mm shim + the abs bracket on the RS, and one 2mm shim + the abs bracket on the left, aiming to obtain around  -1° of camber .

my toe was off on the front axle, one side with some positive toe (toe in) and the other one with negative one ... the rest was ok,  and I actually achieve to obtain the camber I was looking for 

here are the results : 

Front :

toe out :  -0°03"/-0°03"
camber : -1°02"/-0°57"
caster :  3°18"

Rear : 

toe in : +0°20"/+0°20"
camber : -2°09"/-2°09"

please note that the unit is X°Y", not X,Y°, so the front camber is very near from 1° on each side ... there was originally one more shim on the RS, and I already was said long time ago that is to deal with the driver position (it is on the left side for RHD cars). I removed 4 x 1mm shims on each side, to obtain -1°, from the theorical -0,20° for the Roadster... combined with the corrected toe, the front end seems really more planted on turns, and oddly, the steering feels lighter (it was quite heavy before) ... I only did about 20 miles with it, so hard to be definitive, but I like it !

so, on my car, I assume max camber would be -1.5° with all shims removed (with still one shim on one side to have both side equal) ...

 

[Gashead1105]

On 9/21/2017 at 11:23, Neal H said:

This. Definitely this.

Yes, it would definitely be a silly thing to do...

[550superfast]

17 hours ago, Gashead1105 said:

Yes, it would definitely be a silly thing to do...

So that is what you are doing? TVS1900, harnesses and geo. Then stick on Arun's Nitrons in Spring.

[Gashead1105]

Well, I've got my hands on the TVS that is in the classifieds. Not going to be fitted until the spring though. Should get harnesses and geo at same time but everything else is then budget dependent. Chris at hofmann suggested a gear box oil cooler would be sensible and I would still like to get rid of the pre-cats. 

[550superfast]

Sounds good, was that the one I pointed you at? Was it a full SSC kit with induction and hand held device to do the reflash? Will SSC do a map for you?

[Gashead1105]

Yeah it's the full kit. I'm going to have hofmann fit it though though so I'm hoping/assuming they will take care of the mapping side of things as well given the cost. 

[alias23]

Bit confused by all this but I guess it would be boring if everyone had the same approach

I would have thought a sensible approach would be brakes, suspension, harnesses, TUITION

[C8RKH]

A bad tradesman always blames the tools. a good tradesman just knows how to use the tools well.

Totally different scale, but my approach to getting better on the track as a newbie is reliability first and safety first, then tuition and practice, then stuff to help me go faster.

So sorted stuff out like toe ends (Spitfire), gearbox oil catcher (to stop oil spewing on to the nearside rear), harness bar, harness, etc.

Done a couple of track days and stayed within sensible limits but had fun.

Invested in a driver skills handling day with Supercar Scotland

Now investing in 1-2-1 on track training with the ARDS/Racing Instructors at Knockhill

Once I am as fast as I can be in the car, then, I fancy supercharger stage 2 (250 bhp in a 860kg car - so about 290bhp per ton) which should compare with an Exige V6s/350.

Would love an Exige Cup though (350, 360, 380 whatever...  all are bloody gorgeous), but would have to be RED!

 

[Gashead1105]

Imran, yes I am fully aware of the sensible approach. Have done a load of trackdays over the past 10 years, modified my S2 blah blah blah. I wasn't planning to start with more power but spotted it in the classifieds and thought why not. Brakes are done already, all they needed was a pad change. Harnesses will be fitted when warranty expires in April as will the supercharger itself and probably a baffled sump. I'm genuinely in 2 minds about the suspension I have no issues with a bit of body role on track and I don't want to compromise ride on the road. If I can get enough camber out of the race pack set up for the tyres to work well then I will leave it. Gear box oil cooler might make sense as well although I don't want to butcher the boot lining and not sure if any cutting is needed. 

[alias23]

29 minutes ago, Gashead1105 said:

Imran, yes I am fully aware of the sensible approach. Have done a load of trackdays over the past 10 years, modified my S2 blah blah blah. I wasn't planning to start with more power but spotted it in the classifieds and thought why not. Brakes are done already, all they needed was a pad change. Harnesses will be fitted when warranty expires in April as will the supercharger itself and probably a baffled sump. I'm genuinely in 2 minds about the suspension I have no issues with a bit of body role on track and I don't want to compromise ride on the road. If I can get enough camber out of the race pack set up for the tyres to work well then I will leave it. Gear box oil cooler might make sense as well although I don't want to butcher the boot lining and not sure if any cutting is needed. 

Good stuff... assume you changed the brake fluid to SRF? I'd highly recommend.

Baffled sump is an interesting one as never heard of anyone having a major engine failure by not having one on track. 

Gearbox cooler again I'd hold fire and see how you get on and save your money until you feel you definitely need one.

Standard vs Nitrons I can understand being in two minds if you use your Exige on the road a lot... how many track days you considering doing in the V6 a year?

The Nitrons as you'd expect do make road use a lot stiffer than norm but on track I'd say they are necessary if your doing say one track day or month. 

Oh and I guess tyres! Unsure if it's been mentioned but changing tyres to Trofeo was definitely a 'life changing' moment for me on track

[Gashead1105]

Yup castrol fluid has been put in each year. The 3yr service deal includes fresh fluid each year so just paid the extra for castrol. 

Baffled sump is a prevention tool for me. Piece of mind if you like. Same with the gear box oil cooler, I have no issues with the box on mine, it's very slick but would like to keep it that way. Will see what the budget allows next April basically. 

I don't do one trackday per month unfortunately. Much less than that. It's used more on the road. For which I know 400hp is unnecessary but I couldn't resist after a ride in Gary's Cup!

Tyres - I'm now on cup 2s. Which is why I need more camber! Massively improved track capability even in current form though, more grip and a lot better braking. 

[chumaxa]

I honestly do not get the suspension thing, that is clearly one bad thing about the car, I would not tweak anything else before the suspension, geo might improve everything, but to me the car is limited first of all by the suspension ... Power is useless if you have to wait ages mid corner to accelerate because the front axle can't find the grip .. 

[GFWilliams]

3 hours ago, chumaxa said:

I honestly do not get the suspension thing, that is clearly one bad thing about the car, I would not tweak anything else before the suspension, geo might improve everything, but to me the car is limited first of all by the suspension ... Power is useless if you have to wait ages mid corner to accelerate because the front axle can't find the grip .. 

I'd do ARB before changing suspension personally (having done both)

[chumaxa]

Well yes ok, in that case I would say improve handling before power .. 

[Bassman]

Some thoughts on Cup ownership which may or may not be of interest... Can't really comment on mechanicals/engine upgrades as not knowledgeable enough. I bought my Cup new just over 3 years ago - the Bell & Colvill Black Edition, delivered with 4 point harness (essential for track work), Nitron dampers, Quiksilver exhaust and Pirellis of some sort. Add to this a really striking matt/gloss black colour scheme which is still turning heads today. The car was bought for some serious track work, with the aim of 8-10 track days a year. Once the Pirellis were used I fitted Avon ZZRs which work well for me. In terms of useability I find it a surprisingly comfortable driving environment - carbon seats are excellent, lack of radio/stereo and sound deadening is not an issue. I love the V6 symphony orchestra playing behind my head. The gear shift is a bit notchy and industrial but again I like that. 18,000 miles covered to date and long road trips include Calais-Spa, Dunkirk-Zolder, Putney-Anglesey, Cherbourg-Le Mans. Longest single day trip so far has been Putney-Dunfermline for Highlands road driving and Knockhill trackday - 9 hours on the road with sensible stops and no ill effects. I am 62 and probably a couple of stone too heavy so getting in and out has its moments but sliding driver's seat and removeable steering wheel take care of that! Aero upgrade is planned and am waiting to hear options from Hangar 111. I love the car, it is an elemental beast and I wouldn't change it for anything else right now...

[C8RKH]

Lovely post that @Bassman you can feel how much you love your cup.

[Mark030358]

Second C8RKH post.... brilliant...

[Gashead1105]

@Bassmanwere you at Silverstone last Monday?

[Bassman]

Hi Gashead1105, yes, was there as part of the B&C squad, had an excellent day, my first time on the GP circuit (did the National last year), found it very demanding but would definitely go back.

[The Pits]

Good to have you on board Keith. Do we have your car on the V6 Cup register? If not, let me know the number and I'll add it to the register. Missing mine badly, I don't recommend selling. Will's idea of keeping and modifying has a lot going for it!