General Election.

[Barrykearley]

Woah - it’s not 52%
labour were not a “remain” side - they were merely going to give a loaded confirmation vote. They were true fence sitters. Their traditional supporters deserted them in droves due to this

The only true remain sides were the SNP (an inward racist nationalist party 😉) and the Lib Dem’s who are now gonna have a really tough time whittling down a leader from a shortlist picked from their remaining MPs 😂

[C8RKH]

Fair point @Barrykearley re the vote and I agree, but the way the press are reporting it is different.

Labour won 40% of the vote, you could reasonably say that at least 15% of those votes would have been for Brexit, so the true figure for Brexit parties vote share would be much higher as Labours overall vote was split.

However, at any figure it does not justify the protests, the behaviour or nastiness. Not helped at all by complete and utter spoilt brats like Lilly Allan and her wealthy trendy lefty pals.

[Barrykearley]

You could never really guess or speculate the split for the labour votes as to who would have been in/out.

Democracy has won and that’s it done 

[DaveyT]

10 minutes ago, Buddsy said:

One woman protester was shouting "Not my Prime Minister" but he kinda is....at the end of the day.

He’s probably shagged her...😂

[pete]

1 hour ago, Buddsy said:

 

1 hour ago, Buddsy said:

One woman protester was shouting "Not my Prime Minister" but he kinda is....at the end of the day.

 

buddsy

But Corbyn didn't get in Diane

[Colin P]

19 hours ago, oilmagnet477 said:

but how much % did remain parties poll? 

 

8 hours ago, C8RKH said:

52%.

This may be their position on this one point. There were however only 2 parties that could ever have won the election. One has an issue with their leader and/or institutional reputation for racism, supporting terrorist organisations and communism and quite frankly would ruin the country.

Please don't assume everyone who voted conservative was voting for leave..... yes they would have known that this was the outcome, but the alternative doesn't bear thinking about.

For the record there was a vote to stay or leave and leave won, so I wholeheartedly agree that we should leave (or more accurately already have left) regardless of ones personal opinion, but please stop claiming everyone who voted conservative wanted to leave, it is just not true and claiming as such is no better than the "remainers not accepting they lost". There I've said it.

Aside from this, agree, nothing supports violent protests

[Colin P]

What a bunch of idiots. 

[ChrisJ]

6 hours ago, C8RKH said:

Labour won 40% of the vote

More like 32%.

[DaveyT]

Cons and Labour on 365(~44%) and 203 (~32%) is at least approximately in line.

But the system definitely needs some adjustment....

SnP have 48 seats, represent 4% of the vote, and dont want anything to do with England.
LibDems have only 11 seats from nearly 12% of the vote, but at least they want a United Kingdom

How  the feck does THAT make sense?

 

 

 

[ChrisJ]

The delayed Boundary change should now be brought in - which should even up the number of electors in each constituency.

 

 

And people call the Tory Part the nasty party - he went full dalek at one point.

 

[andydclements]

44 minutes ago, DaveyT said:

Cons and Labour on 365(~44%) and 203 (~32%) is at least approximately in line.

But the system definitely needs some adjustment....

SnP have 48 seats, represent 4% of the vote, and dont want anything to do with England.
LibDems have only 11 seats from nearly 12% of the vote, but at least they want a United Kingdom

How  the feck does THAT make sense?

 

 

 

there are problems with all systems.

The current first past the post in a defined area, gives a known person clear accountability to those living in that constituency. the elected person is supposed to represent those people. But if that person gets the single largest share of the votes, and the same happens elsewhere you can end up with a party getting not the greatest share of the votes yet getting all-but one or at least the majority of the seats in the HoC.

Pure proportional representation, means that (subject to small variances) the number of MPs a party has aligns to the proportion of the votes the party received, so  in this case LD would get c66 MPs,  SNP c26 MPs etc. The biggest problems are that you don't get a clearly accountable representative of an area (or at least not one that was elected by those locals), you don't get any possibility of independents / regional  / small parties (not if it's a small regional party), so Like SNP in their early days, PC in theirs or even UKIP in the first few elections, they'd just not get enough of a vote to  get seats. It also means the government tends to be more moderated, so a big swing from one party to another actually doesn't happen, it only really happens in the current system, so you get more hung parliaments/ coalitions, which is what we'd be facing today if we has proportional representation, Cons would need LD to form a coalition to get even just over 50% of the seats in HoC. The markets don't like them, they tend to struggle to get anything through parliament and eventually fall out with each other and call another election.

 

There are other systems, but each has its strengths and weaknesses. 

 

The disproportion between SNP share of vote and share of seats reflects the more sparsely populated trying to not lass less-dense,,,) areas that make up each constituency in Scotland. can you imagine the uproar if the govt body tried to merge seats on a tree-to-one basis to even it out? There'd be people with weapons and blue crosses on faces screaming as they attacked. Even worse, they could split the seats in England on a one-to-three basis, and we'd have nearly 3x the number of MPs and need new HoC to cope with them. The expenses could bankrupt the country.

[ChrisJ]

Very interesting article from the Daily Telegraph - IN 2015

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11680016/Why-Tories-should-join-Labour-and-back-Jeremy-Corbyn.html

 

[Barrykearley]

Cost me £28 in total. The second time round was £25.

 

excellent value for money 😁

[DaveyT]

Understand and agree, Andy, just pointing out the way the balance is tipped.

imo, prop rep would be the very worst model we could have.

[Barrykearley]

Labour lost!

Now we all need to stop taking the piss out of Diane Abbott!

How would you like it if the shoe was on the other foot?

[DaveyT]

Guess she was just trying to prove she’s a proper Lefty

[oilmagnet477]

Parliament have already debated a change in the way we vote and it was rejected. Is this another case of having more and more votes until the loudest protesters win?

My point regarding the % for leave v remain was actually more related to the fact that I voted remain in the referendum but voted for Boris and I know that there will have been Corbyn voters who voted leave but could never bring themselves to vote Tory.

At the end of the day - it matters not one jot. 'We' voted to leave in 2016 and hopefully now we have a Govt with a big enough majority to ensure that at least in some form, Brexit happens. Even Farage had the balls to admit that he would rather see any brexit than none at all!

I also believe that we will now see the true Boris who isn't constrained by the DUP or by the ERG - if you discount Sinn Fein (who don't take their 7 seats) - his majority is nearer 90!

[Kimbers]

This has appeared twice on my FB page today. Seems like I am evil scum who murders thousands a year.........

[Barrykearley]

What a load of tosh @Kimbers - typical left wing moaning liberals.

Get over it - the electorate has spoken 

[Kimbers]

Absolutely shocking. Frankly I think I need a cull on FB. Some people are just too bitter and twisted. 

[Barrykearley]

Far too much crap on there. The new government will hopefully ram this brexit stuff through and it can all be over and done with as soon as possible. I notice he is intending to remove any possibility of delay which adds certainty and leadership into the process.

onwards and upwards. I for one am very thankful 

[oilmagnet477]

Makes me laugh that already the opposition are complaining about Boris trying to pass a law to prevent transition period going beyond 31st Dec 2020.

These people must be a thick as very thick shit! Why don't they have the ability of understanding that the EU have been forced to sit up and take notice - by stating that now Boris is sending a clear message to them to get a fucking move on. Failure to do this will only lead them to think they can string it out forever and a day.

Go Boris go - get brexit done.

If wanker Gove hadn't stabbed him in the back 3 years ago where would we be now? I have been wondering for a while how Boris is going to get his revenge.........

[Barrykearley]

It is in the EUs advantage to drag the process out as long as it takes.

The uk need to time limit the process to focus the EU - this also gives the uk the ability to get on and sign deals with other countries.

It is looking likely the Eu will try and tie the uk into all sorts of red tape to ensure a quick zero tariff trade deal - I really hope that Boris will refuse any of this EU trickery

[oilmagnet477]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50826472

MPs who lost their seats get compensated (£18k average - some get £40k) Total bill for 71 MPs to be £2m

They haven't been made redundant - their ex job still exists! They have been sacked........

Poor buggers - must be really tricky for them

[jbuenavides]

If women ran every country in the world there would be a general improvement in living standards and outcomes, former US President Barack Obama has said.

 

Do you guys with what the former president of the United State said?