Brexit

[SFO]

https://apple.news/AMcCuWpobQ6K0qPiFccdsPg

[LotusFella]

36 minutes ago, SFO said:

https://apple.news/AMcCuWpobQ6K0qPiFccdsPg

Yup saw that also

[march]

Death Star plans revealed by Liberal Democrats to stop BREXIT!

[C8RKH]

I can't stand even seeing Corbyn now in a picture. He has one agenda item which is himself appointed as PM by any means, democratic or otherwise. People are now seeing him for what he really is and the Labour party is hemorrhaging supporters and his ego is so big he cannot see it.

Leaving with no deal would be undemocratic and against peoples wishes, so tell me, what is not leaving then?

Enough is enough. Remainers are killing this country. Can't they see that whilst they refuse to accept the democratic vote result, spread fear with their unfounded stories of a looming apocalypse that they are actually encouraging the EU to NOT renegotiate and get a deal done?

The naivety and arrogance is beyond belief. 

[Barrykearley]

 

 

[CHANGES]

On 18/08/2019 at 10:26, C8RKH said:

can't stand even seeing Corbyn now in a picture. He has one agenda item which is himself appointed as PM by any means, democratic or otherwise.

A 5th columnist ..     

[Mightymetro]

Here’s a question, I need to change sterling to euro, about £4000.  Now or after brexit 🙈🙈🙈🙈

[C8RKH]

18 hours ago, Barrykearley said:

 

 

I only need two. One to put Corbyn in and one to put McDonald in. Leave off the lid so they can breathe etc but job done.

[oilmagnet477]

32 minutes ago, C8RKH said:

"Leave off the lid so they can breathe"

And there was me thinking we agreed about everything. I didn't realise you were a softy Liberal after all!

[Bibs]

Jonathan Pie on prorogation.

Contains foul language from the get go.

 

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

Boris Johnson is just a puppet. His strings are being pulled by that small bunch of old fart “ERG” Tory backbenchers, whose sole purpose of serving in Parliament is to make the UK leave the EU without a deal. They desperately needed BJ as a popular figurehead.

At least Theresa May had a bit of dignity and tried to do things the right way. Now that BJ has been manipulated by the ERG into No. 10, they will attempt whatever dirty tricks they feel necessary to make us exit the EU with no deal on 31 October. You could see the glee in Rees-Mogg’s eyes as he headed back to Aberdeen airport after meeting the Queen at Balmoral. Like a schoolboy, who has just got away with a naughty prank. 

BJ really is the buffoon everyone thinks he is. Even Trump knows this. Trump wants to weaken America’s competitors and by encouraging BJ to leave the EU without a deal, he can damage both the EU and the UK. As for a future US / UK trade deal? Our new Prime Minister hopes that the US consumers are going to be queuing round the block to get their hands on Melton Mowbray pork pies and English wine. In return we’ll probably be inundated with chlorine washed chicken and GM crops. Honestly, you couldn’t make it up!

[C8RKH]

I laughed, but thought the Queen bit was unnecessary, but heh ho.

I am genuinely confused right now re WTF is really going on.

Prior to this move from Bojo, I endured a BBC interview with John McDonald who was saying we needed to uphold democracy in this country and that was why Brexit was wrong and we should not be leaving the EU, with or without a deal, without another referendum. I mean, WTF - we had a referendum, the mandate was clear, so surely the democratic thing to do would have been for the politicians to get together and just make Brexit happen. I mean, we've had three fooking years to debate and discuss HOW we wanted to leave and to negotiate it. But instead, we had Cable, Sturgeon, and the cronies in Lab and Con and Jeana bloody Miller and everyone else banging on for three years about how we need a fooking peoples vote top ratify the decision of the first peoples vote.  All the while, the key thing was that the Remain Cabal where in effect stopping and preventing the proper and orderly exit from the EU, ably supported by a Speaker of the House of Commons who now seems to see himself as some sort of self appointed Dictator who is above the wishes of the people and Parliament and to hell with hundreds of years of precedence as long as it suits what I want.

Now, we have a PM, love or him loathe him, who has been clear that we are going to follow the Democratic will of the people and leave on 31st October, as per Article 50 and the laws of the land as currently laid down. To head off yet more filly bluster and delays he has decided to take Parliament out of it to allow us to go ahead with that, enacting the democratic will of the people. The response - this is outrageous - we need time to debate Brexit more - for fooks sake, you've had three years of debate and delays, why do you need more time?  If the Remain Cabal had actually focused on making Brexit a success, rather than crying over their spilt milk and throwing a toddler tantrum in aisle 3, surely we would be leaving on the 31st October with a great deal and an orderly Brexit.  Surely, the people who are now crying foul re democracy, are the ones who have trodden all over Democracy for the past 3 years, and are actually the real culprits of the quite frankly shit storm and dire situation we find ourselves in now!

It's about time the Remain Cabal actually grew up, stopped behaving like petulant children, and bloody well took responsibility for their significant part in this bloody mess.

It really does beggar belief that people are now crying over Democracy, given the way the politicians and speaker of the house have rode rough shot over it for the past three years. Hypocrisy at its very best indeed.

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

All of what you say is correct, but the key thing is that Jacob Rees-Mogg , Graham Brady (chairman 1922 committee), Peter Bone and all the other grey suit ERG Euro-sceptic Tories never wanted a deal. May’s proposed deal endangered this outcome, so they repeatedly voted it down alongside the remainers, who just didn’t want to leave full stop. Hence we are where we are, years later. It’s a grotesque mess, but don’t think we’ve got here by accident. It’s pretty much all been choreographed from behind the scenes. I’ll be amazed if we don’t now leave without a deal on 31 October.

[C8RKH]

16 minutes ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

All of what you say is correct, but the key thing is that Jacob Rees-Mogg , Graham Brady (chairman 1922 committee), Peter Bone and all the other grey suit ERG Euro-sceptic Tories never wanted a deal. May’s proposed deal endangered this outcome, so they repeatedly voted it down alongside the remainers, who just didn’t want to leave full stop. Hence we are where we are, years later. It’s a grotesque mess, but don’t think we’ve got here by accident. It’s pretty much all been choreographed from behind the scenes. I’ll be amazed if we don’t now leave without a deal on 31 October.

The only thing I disagree with you on is that you seem to be implying that all choreography has all been from the ERG which, if I can be frank, is total bollocks. Jeana Miller and many others, both inside and outside of Parliament, have been dancing to their own tune to ensure we did not leave, never mind leaving with or without a deal. The carnage from the accident is the result of two sides who refused to come together, for the good of the nation, and to implement the democratic decision of the people of the UK. Remember, the question we asked was never about "a deal", it was should we leave or remain a part of the EU. The rest is the carnage from the unwillingness to accept the result (remain) and the unwillingness to compromise (ERG).  Both sides as culpable and guilty yet one still thinks they are holier than the other!

And if the Speaker had actually done his duty, without prejudice and with impartiality then maybe he would have prevented what we have now. He is a disgrace, in my very humble opinion, to the position and will not be well remembered by the history books.

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

Yes, my post refers solely to the ERG and 1922 Committee manipulation of the Tory leadership to get to the stage we are at now, i.e. seemingly staring down the barrel of a no deal Brexit in two months time.

Of course factions on the other side have tried to derail Brexit, but their efforts have tended to be knee-jerk reactions to events, rather than the long game played ultimately successfully by the ERG under the guidance of Dominic Cummings.

[C8RKH]

9 minutes ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

Yes, my post refers solely to the ERG and 1922 Committee manipulation of the Tory leadership to get to the stage we are at now, i.e. seemingly staring down the barrel of a no deal Brexit in two months time.

Of course factions on the other side have tried to derail Brexit, but their efforts have tended to be knee-jerk reactions to events, rather than the long game played ultimately successfully by the ERG under the guidance of Dominic Cummings.

Sorry but totally disagree. Since the result the "other side" have sought to campaign and derail Brexit from the start. Not sure why you cannot see that.  The fact we are staring down the barrel of the gun now is 3 years in the making.  Your point is a bit like blaming your last cigarette for the fact that you are lying their dying of lung cancer, ignoring the 30 a day for the past 30 years as being relevant. However, I may be miss understanding you so apologies.

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

You’re reading too much into what I am saying. I am just pointing out how the ERG has manipulated the Tory leadership in the past few months to try and secure the no deal Brexit they desire.

[C8RKH]

So, Parliament is closed and the EU finally see that a no deal Brexit is absolutely on the cards. We get some movement on the backstop and hey presto as deal is ready to be done. You still think the ERG will manipulate for a no deal exit? Genuine question. I'm getting to close to just putting my head in a bucket of sand till it is all over....

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

Yes both the UK Government and the EU want to have their cake and eat it. Not gonna happen.

[SFO]

remainers insist that we can’t have a no deal Brexit, but they don’t say what deal they want for Brexit

media never follow up rants from those saying no deal is catastrophe with a question of what kind of Brexit deal would actually be approved by Parliament 

[oilmagnet477]

This is all total horsesh*t.

EVERYONE moaning about what Boris has done fails to understand exactly what he has done. In reality, after taking into account the ridiculous and self serving conference season that would normally see MPs returning to Parliament in Mid September, MPs are actually going to lose about 4 working days out of Parliament. BIG DEAL.

As IDS said yesterday wtf is left to debate. The Anti-Brexit mob have had 3 years to agree an alternative and have failed to do so - is a month of further debate going to achieve anything more than simply confirming how divided everyone is?

For me, and as C8 says, love or loathe Boris, he is actually prepared to have the balls to lead in order to deliver the DEMOCRATIC decision of the people in 2016. If MPs had voted as their constituents had, 60% would have supported the Withdrawal agreement - failing to do that was always going to lead to leaving without a (withdrawal) agreement - as to trade deals, it remains to be seen what happens but if we chose to stop importing goods unless we can export goods, Merkel and Macron would soon be made to see reason.

I absolutely think this is a great shot across the bows to the EU - it shows absolute intent by Boris - and is the ONLY thing that will make them sit up and do an Eleventh hour deal (if one is possible). If this approach had been adopted from DAY 1 - we'd have either left on 29th March (if not before) - with or without an agreement, and have spent the last year to six months moving on with our lives.

I think Ruth Davison makes a lot of sense - if another deal is forthcoming: MPs, for the love of God, Vote for it.

[PaulCP]

25 minutes ago, SFO said:

remainers insist that we can’t have a no deal Brexit, but they don’t say what deal they want for Brexit

media never follow up rants from those saying no deal is catastrophe with a question of what kind of Brexit deal would actually be approved by Parliament 

This is exactly the point, the Media are totally useless, they never quiz and ask for proof on anything, just report whatever drivel  is being said as if it was a real fact.

Had to laugh at one of Mog’s comments this morning though. I can’t stand the pompous tw@t but when he said “Sturgeon is outraged at everything the Tories do or say. If we said that Christmas Day was the 25th Dec she would say how outraged she is at that comment and insist it was a lever for Scottish independence” Nearly spat my coffee out😄

[oilmagnet477]

If we were to leave without a deal and Scotland then got independence (Cheerio and good luck), Imagine how big Boris's majority would become.........

SNP = 35

Lab = 07

Lib Dem = 04 = total of 46 less opposition MPs.

Tory's lose 13 - overall gain of Majority by 33

dum dee dum

[C8RKH]

2 minutes ago, oilmagnet477 said:

If we were to leave without a deal and Scotland then got independence (Cheerio and good luck), Imagine how big Boris's majority would become.........

SNP = 35

Lab = 07

Lib Dem = 04 = total of 46 less opposition MPs.

Tory's lose 13 - overall gain of Majority by 33

dum dee dum

Ah, you have uncovered the real agenda of the ERA.... :)

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

1 minute ago, Buddsy said:

What cake does the UK Gov want? A free tade deal without paying?

I think you mentioned it in your earlier post: free trade with the EU, BUT no freedom of movement. EU’s never going to allow that. Not paying would be the cherry on the top of the cake from a UK Gov point of view. I think even many Remainers would vote for that deal!