Where to buy 410 tyres?

[j141]

Im hunting for some 410 rears, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 - 285/30 R20 99

 

Where are people buying them?, Camskill told me they cant get them for the Evora and if I fit any they sell my insurance would be invalid, and it would ruin the handling!

 

Where are people getting the correct tyres other than Lotus and what is the correct code?

 

Edited June 1, 2020 by j141

[Simon Bateman]

Black circles have the size. They are shown as other car specific, but I'm not aware of any tyres being lotus specific.  Personally I'd swap for MPS4s and get a more usable tyre that still works at low temps.

Edited June 1, 2020 by Bibs

[j141]

Thanks Simon, Camskill have the size but they do two versions, one is merc the other BMW I believe:

https://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?show=139037

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m63b0s9118p139036/Michelin_Tyres_Car_Michelin_Pilot_Sport_Cup_2_-_285_30_R20_(99Y)_XL_(*)_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_E_NoiseClass%3A_2_Noise%3A_73dB

Im going to switch to MPS4s when all 4 need doing which should be next change

Edited June 1, 2020 by j141

[Simon Bateman]

Not sure what they came out of the factory with. Can you not double check the full spec against your current tyre? My 400 came with super sports and they still have 5mm + tread depth after 11k miles. I'm a big fan of Michelins tbh. They are expensive but but they perform great and last longer than most other brands.

 

 

 

Edited June 1, 2020 by Bravo73

[rallyesax]

Evora  Sport 410 Cup 2 tyres are as follow out of the Factory :

Front 235/35ZR19 91Y PSCup 2 XL (RT Tyre) which means replacement market Tyre. Not specific to any car maker 

Rear 285/30ZR20 99Y PSCup2 * XL (BMW Spec). The star marking is specific to BMW, the Tyre as been developped for the M4 GTS but is the one choosen by Lotus to match the Front RT on the Evora. 

[EGTE]

This is how I shop for tyres: use tyrereviews' comparison for the size I need.

https://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Michelin/Pilot-Sport-Cup-2.htm/price/285-30-20

https://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Michelin/Pilot-Sport-4-S.htm/price/285-30-20

https://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Search/Size/285-30-20

[j141]

Brilliant thanks everyone so it seems Camskill were talking crap and its the BMW fitment I need:

 

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m63b0s9118p139036/Michelin_Tyres_Car_Michelin_Pilot_Sport_Cup_2_-_285_30_R20_(99Y)_XL_(*)_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_E_NoiseClass%3A_2_Noise%3A_73dB

[KJD]

On 01/06/2020 at 17:21, j141 said:

 Camskill told me they cant get them for the Evora and if I fit any they sell my insurance would be invalid, and it would ruin the handling!

Bit of a worry they managed to get three things wrong in one sentence.

[EGTE]

I had a similar experience from CamSkill on another make of car, I'm afraid.

[rallyesax]

As long as :

the correct tyre size or equivalent circumference ratio is under 2%

At least, the minimum load index for the axle 

The minimum speed index for the tyreline

Are in line with Homologation

And, for the same axle, the Tyres have the same Brand and Tyre line (winter or summer) you're fine with insurance. 

Doesn't matter if it's a BMW or Mercedes spec Tyre (this will only affect vehicle handling in a good or a bad way) or if it's 99 instead of 94 in load index or Y instead of V for speed index (as long as the value is always equal or higher than stated by the car manufacturer) 

[C8RKH]

Sounds like you should order from Camskill if you know what you need, but don't ask them for advice.

[Bibs]

Whenever I see this thread I wonder why you need so many tyres! 

[bosshog]

Who has switch from Cup 2 to Pilot sport 4S? Is there much difference? I fear changing would loose a lot of the character the 410 has over the 400 in regard to that razor sharp steering and gip.

[j141]

This is exactly my worry but the cup 2's work out 2-3x more expensive when you factor in wear rate, so is it worth the extra cost?

Edited June 8, 2020 by Bibs

[bosshog]

Personally I don;t think the cost is much of a factor at all, given what the car costs to run, insure, service, depreciation etc. For me it all about putting a smile on my face. Its only the rears what wear for me at a set a year which is about £450 per year which I can live with. Fronts wear very slowely for me.

 

Edited June 8, 2020 by Bibs

[Bravo73]

I’ve heard that PS4Ss can handle heavy rain and standing water much better than Cup 2s. 😉😂

[Simon Bateman]

I have the original pilot supersports on my 400 and a set of MP4S's on my 2017 civic type R.  Both work very well in the rain and as well in the cold as any other summer tyre I've used over the years. It's wrong however to think of these as 'safe as houses' soft options, because they are still compromised by comparison to the MP4, but just less so than the cups. They don't like extreme cold or snow, as I nearly found out to my cost last year during a freak snow storm on the Timmelsjoch pass in Austria.  They are designed with some track use in mind (20% apparently). So for me it would be a no brainer, particularly if I intended to run a 410 through the winter months instead of part sorning it. 

[bosshog]

I get why one might use 4S over the Cups (hence why I'm asking), I'd just like to know if any 410 owners have actually done it and can compare accurately.
 

 

 

Edited June 8, 2020 by Bravo73

[rallyesax]

@Bibs if rolling resistance, Tyre weight for given load/speed, Tyre dimensions and sidewall profiles for aerodynamic issues and of course tyre/vehicle interaction for handling caracteristics were not so much car manufacturer related and platform related for OE , then yes, it would be easier 😆

But I would have a lot less work 😬

[Gears]

On 08/06/2020 at 09:37, bosshog said:

Who has switch from Cup 2 to Pilot sport 4S? Is there much difference? I fear changing would loose a lot of the character the 410 has over the 400 in regard to that razor sharp steering and gip.

I've driven a GT430 on Cup 2's and a GT410 that was either on PS4S's or Pirelli's of some kind. Unfortunately I can't properly compare them but what I do remember firmly about the Cup 2's is that when the weather was 2-3 degrees C and the roads lightly wet, I was being thoroughly embarrassed by a Golf GTD from 0 to 60mph. There was so little grip it was a massive slip 'n slide fest. Even more scary considering it wasn't my car.

It's worth checking out the Tyrereviews videos on Youtube if you want to see proper testing. If memory serves me right, the performance in summer between Cup 2 and PS4S was marginal, while the wet and cold handling was massive. For the road, PS4S is a better all-round tyre and I don't think you'll even notice the difference in the dry to the Cup 2.

Edited June 9, 2020 by Gears

[EGTE]

..and the PS4 (non-S) comes out as just as good for road use as the PS4S on Tyrereviews, too.

[rallyesax]

If you don't notice a difference in the dry between Cup2 and PS4S even on the road you might as well switch to autonomous cars right away.... 

OK, I'm teasing you there, but truly the difference is significant. But I agree on cold and wet it's even greater. 

Edited June 9, 2020 by rallyesax

[Gadzooks]

On 09/06/2020 at 21:27, rallyesax said:

If you don't notice a difference in the dry between Cup2 and PS4S even on the road you might as well switch to autonomous cars right away.... 

OK, I'm teasing you there, but truly the difference is significant. But I agree on cold and wet it's even greater. 

+1.  I made a recent discovery and so am going to resurrect this thread for posterity’s sake.  When I re-bought my 410 I noticed that it wasn’t as responsive as I remembered despite the dealer  fitting new Michelin tyres.  I had the geometry checked and it had too much toe in.  I had lit changed to a small amount of toe out but it still didn’t feel as good as my memory was telling me.  Then I noticed it had MPS4S rather than the Cup 2s and the penny dropped.  Cup 2s make a big difference.  They are Excellent in the dry,  fine in the wet so long as it is warm but scary in the cold

[j141]

17 minutes ago, Gadzooks said:

+1.  I made a recent discovery and so am going to resurrect this thread for posterity’s sake.  When I re-bought my 410 I noticed that it wasn’t as responsive as I remembered despite the dealer  fitting new Michelin tyres.  I had the geometry checked and it had too much toe in.  I had lit changed to a small amount of toe out but it still didn’t feel as good as my memory was telling me.  Then I noticed it had MPS4S rather than the Cup 2s and the penny dropped.  Cup 2s make a big difference.  They are Excellent in the dry,  fine in the wet so long as it is warm but scary in the cold

That gives me a bit of a dilemma I had pretty much decided I was going to switch my 410 to PS4S for the extra wet/cold performance and economy when the time came but after reading this now im not so sure, I dont know if I would be able to tell the difference in all honesty?

[Gadzooks]

9 hours ago, j141 said:

That gives me a bit of a dilemma I had pretty much decided I was going to switch my 410 to PS4S for the extra wet/cold performance and economy when the time came but after reading this now im not so sure, I dont know if I would be able to tell the difference in all honesty?

One of the most memorable times on Cup 2s was going around a roundabout at circa 20mph when I felt the steering go light. I looked hard at the road and noticed that a lorry had been past earlier and had left a coating of dust on that half of the roundabout.  The MPS4S aren’t at that level.  They are good tyres and even held up well on a recent wet track day but they do rob you of some feel and increase the moment of inertia on turn in.  I think you will notice the difference but, as you say, the upside is better all year performance and increased wear.  Choices choices!

The new BMW fit MPS4S might be the answer