Esprit Market Watch

[swindon_alan]

Mine's bigger than yours Mark. Let's have a downforce-off...

[Barrykearley]

I'm sure I have read that the big wings produce very little downforce.

although to be honest I think this was a rumour started by German car loving, american muscle car owning good with colours type of folk

[Mark Blanchard]

7 minutes ago, swindon_alan said:

Mine's bigger than yours Mark. Let's have a downforce-off...

I've heard the same at the ASDA supermarket car park with the chavs.

 

[Mark Blanchard]

2 minutes ago, Barrykearley said:

Although to be honest I think this was a rumour started by German car loving, american muscle car owning good with colours type of folk

I hope you're not refering to me!  Yes, my Audi is superb, has never let me down and cost me very little in up keep and the Mustang is great (and cost me a fortune in up keep).  But that may be conincidental.

[Barrykearley]

Cough cough laugh splutter 

no not at all

[Andyww]

5 minutes ago, Barrykearley said:

I'm sure I have read that the big wings produce very little downforce.

 

The only downforce they produce comes from the weight of the damn things. Concrete slab in the boot would work better.

[Barrykearley]

@swindon_alan - look what you've started now 

[swindon_alan]

I was listening to Mike Wilds last night at a Club Lotus Avon do saying how amazing down force had become as a success factor across his 50 odd years of professional racing.

So the Three Eleven doesn't have about three million pounds of down force then?

I was looking for that recent thread where there was a quote from Lotus that they did always test spoilers and that removing them or modifying them would affect the car's handling. Can't find it.

Don't care, I get the aerodynamics. Whatever Lotus have ever put on a car is for a practical reason and not for cosmetics.

TELL ME I AM WRONG

[Bazza 907]

8 hours ago, swindon_alan said:

Don't care, I get the aerodynamics. Whatever Lotus have ever put on a car is for a practical reason and not for cosmetics.

TELL ME I AM WRONG

Your wrong

 

[Andyww]

But we are looking at road cars not race cars. Speed vs aero effect of the spoiler is not enough for any appreciable downforce.

[swindon_alan]

2 hours ago, Bazza 907 said:

Your wrong

I disagree Bazza. She looks very practical and could definitely do a job for me

1 hour ago, Andyww said:

But we are looking at road cars not race cars. Speed vs aero effect of the spoiler is not enough for any appreciable downforce.

So it will not be much help to me at 175 mph on a track day then?

[Bibs]

Good luck finding a track where you can go 175mph, let alone around a corner where you need the downforce.

In reality, very, very few Esprits are used on trackdays. There can't be more than a dozen or two people on here who have tracked their Esprit. 

[Andyww]

11 minutes ago, swindon_alan said:

I disagree Bazza. She looks very practical and could definitely do a job for me

So it will not be much help to me at 175 mph on a track day then?

Yes probably would in that situation.

[purso]

@Bibs I think I was north of 200 mph on the parade lap at Brooklands and if I didnt have the wing on my v8 god only knows what would have happened

[Bibs]

7 minutes ago, BP81 said:

@Bibs I think I was north of 20 mph on the parade lap at Brooklands and if I didnt have the wing on my v8 god only knows what would have happened

Very proud of you  

[swindon_alan]

29 minutes ago, Bibs said:

In reality, very, very few Esprits are used on trackdays. There can't be more than a dozen or two people on here who have tracked their Esprit. 

It looks like myself and @Barrykearley will be joining that elite soon then!

[Chillidoggy]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CM7NbL9Be0s

From 1.35.

[Andyww]

On the subject of track days, what is the purpose of doing a track day? I would say that its an opportunity to hone driving skills, get some excitement and time laps to race against yourself and improve the times. Thats the way I have approached it in the past.

So it does not really matter whether a spoiler adds 5 mph or not because you are only competing against yourself.

Unless you are building a track-only car in which case you can go all out and go for massive engine upgrade, huge spoiler, rose-jointed suspension, lowering, stiffening etc. But then it becomes less desirable, or impossible, to use on the road and probably ugly.

[rudolphwolven]

 

"Prices Soaring"......... we are off-topic for some time / quite a number of posts already.........

[purso]

Here here

[swindon_alan]

1 hour ago, Andyww said:

Unless you are building a track-only car in which case you can go all out and go for massive engine upgrade, huge spoiler, rose-jointed suspension, lowering, stiffening etc. But then it becomes less desirable, or impossible, to use on the road and probably ugly.

*** OFF TOPIC ALERT - SORRY! ***

So with my existing Quaife gearbox and LOTAC suspension upgrades and my impeding 500+ bhp plan for my engine I should be ok then!

[purso]

150k!

[Barrykearley]

Back on topic

prices need to soar - and bloody high and fast. Paid the garage bill today - and now know exactly how much the car has cost to the last penny.......

[purso]

200k!

[C8RKH]

That was just the labour. You forgot the parts cost and the VAT. Silly boy....