What made you 'Shake your Head' today?

[C8RKH]

r3nault you're talking about something you know nothing about it and trying to justify it from a "logic" point of view that is hypothetical. So, basically your making statements as fact on something you admit you know naff all about. That, in my parlance, is "talking nonsense". Even more so when I explained to you that the debt follows the person irrespective of where they live. You don't seem to have a basic understanding of "law" and the fact that by simply moving you can forego, or have written off, a debt that you signed up for in law and owe in law. Where you live does not make you immune from being chased for the debt that you owe. End of.

Sorry you don't agree. And that's fine. But your last post was even more nonsense than the previous one lol.  

To put it another way, not living in the wonderful world of Oz, I have no idea how doctors get trained or how they pay for it, so I would not presume to know anything, or quote "hypotheticals" about the situation, let alone, get into an argument with an Ozzer about what is lawful or not in Ozland. Why? Because it would make me look like a dingo.

[r3nault]

Haha, thank you for perfectly illustrating my point. To ill-advisedly engage on your clearly tangential arguments:

1. Yes, economics is a quite theoretical construct which you are disagreeing with. Your prerogative, but an astounding lack of humility.

2. Australian law is at its core derived from British law. Though the details will obviously differ and diverge, there are many similarities not just in the statutes, but the process by which they are formed into legislation.

3. I’m glad you are taking me to task in having any knowledge of law. I’d never claim to be an expert in it, nor have specific knowledge of British law, but I did in fact major in business law in my commerce degree - to be clear, not a law degree, but if you want to prove who is talking nonsense…

4. Also glad you are saying I know nothing about the subject matter. As I’m talking about economics, again part of one of my degrees, and the subject matter of my profession  I’m not an economist, to be clear, but I certainly know more about it than the lay person…

5. You haven’t yet seemed to realise the irony, but everything you have said about student debt - which I remind you FOR THE FOURTH TIME is irrelevant to my argument based on ECONOMIC VALUE - actually does not impact my contention. The debt belonging to the individual means it doesn’t impact their economic value, because the Australian system never pays for it. So remind me, what is its relevance to my argument?

Also, you neatly avoided the statistic posted by someone else noting the low rate of expected debt collection from the cohort. Whoops.

Edited July 15, 2023 by r3nault
Bloody autocorrect and point added

[C8RKH]

The low rate is largely due to the fact that you only start to pay the loan back when you're earnings reach a certain level.  So for a lot of people they won't pay it back, legitimately. But I can assure you that once a doctor starts earning, they breach that threshold so statistically they have a higher likelihood of recovery. It is always dangerous to use statistics when you have no idea of what they are telling you. Which is why I ignored it. It was irrelevant in this case.

I wasn't responding to your economic points in any response. Just your assumptions around the fact you can walk away from a debt. You must have missed that by continuing with an argument that was being contested but ignoring what was.

I'll not respond to any more posts, its pointless. 

Have a great life.

[r3nault]

On 14/07/2023 at 08:17, r3nault said:

No worries, happy to take your highly trained, highly intelligent doctors with life-saving skills here in Oz… thanks for paying for their training

 

On 14/07/2023 at 17:35, C8RKH said:

@r3nault they usually leave medical school with £100-150k of student debt so that will go with them to their new lives in Australia. Your welcome to them.

No, you missed that my central argument invalidates any argument around debt, because the economic value exists whether you choose to argue it or not. And you missed how, several times, I acknowledged the debt still exists and is payable if the mechanism to collect is effective, but somehow you’re still on that particular tangent and claiming moral high ground where none exists…

Edited July 15, 2023 by r3nault

[C8RKH]

You know, I think you'd struggle to make this up...

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/23/network-rail-spent-10000gbp-per-week-staff-cheaper-train/

[Bibs]

[Escape]

Not really surprised, over here train drivers often take a taxi to get to work (i.e. wherever their train is parked) as it wouldn't be PC to reimburse their expenses if they use their own car, let alone offer them a company car.

[C8RKH]

Just don't understand our GP's. Over worked? Maybe. Hard to feel any sympathy when you read the below. Well remunerated? Oh yes. So why not do the work then?

 

I think it is time we considered nationalising the delivery of GP services in the UK and offering GP's 2 choices - a salaried position with defined T&C's as an NHS employee, or they go it alone as a fully private business OUTSIDE of the NHS and with no ability to contract through or to the NHS. They have had the best of it for the past 80 years whilst pulling the wool over the eyes of patients and the public.

[Chillidoggy]

2 hours ago, C8RKH said:

Just don't understand our GP's. Over worked? Maybe. Hard to feel any sympathy when you read the below. Well remunerated? Oh yes. So why not do the work then?

 

I think it is time we considered nationalising the delivery of GP services in the UK and offering GP's 2 choices - a salaried position with defined T&C's as an NHS employee, or they go it alone as a fully private business OUTSIDE of the NHS and with no ability to contract through or to the NHS. They have had the best of it for the past 80 years whilst pulling the wool over the eyes of patients and the public.

I’m just going through this same fight, trying to get an appointment for my 90-year old mother. It’s pathetic, ludicrous, and life-threatening. Hippocratic oath? Don’t make me laugh. My own GP is no better, in fact he only works part time, and only does telephone consultations, presumably from the golf club. 

[PaulCP]

8 hours ago, C8RKH said:

I think it is time we considered nationalising the delivery of GP services in the UK and offering GP's 2 choices - a salaried position with defined T&C's as an NHS employee, or they go it alone as a fully private business OUTSIDE of the NHS and with no ability to contract through or to the NHS. 

The ones that get my goat are junior doctors, the newly qualified ones in particular, who go on strike for a 35% pay rise. They have hardly any experience and knew exactly what they were getting themselves in to when they started their medical careers.

Similar to your thoughts re nationalising the delivery of GP services, the government should consider going back to paying the education fees for doctors but in return the would be doctors would have to sign a decree to work exclusively for the NHS for the first 15/20 years, with a rigid pay scale for the first 5 years linked to progress via ability.

[C8RKH]

Amen @PaulCP, I'd agree to that.

I am totally pissed off with people who choose a career then spend all their time whinging and fooking whining about it. Doctors. Nurses. Teachers et al. If you don't like the terms then go and find another job. Just leave. Then try to live and survive outside of those sheltered careers.

I have nothing against these professions or the people who choose them, EXCEPT, their relentless whining so for their own good health they should give it up and do something else.

[C8RKH]

Ok, who was it? Not good.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/LotusOwnersAndEnthusiasts/permalink/10159710490375687/

[Barrykearley]

He’s likely to get fisted by the courts.

funny what our police are good at enforcing and just what they turn a blind eye to.

[pete]

7 hours ago, C8RKH said:

Ok, who was it? Not good.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/LotusOwnersAndEnthusiasts/permalink/10159710490375687/

[C8RKH]

@pete if you read through the thread it is not obvious it actually was this Brent guy, unless it has been confirmed since.

[Escape]

On 06/08/2023 at 20:29, C8RKH said:

I am totally pissed off with people who choose a career then spend all their time whinging and fooking whining about it. Doctors. Nurses. Teachers et al. If you don't like the terms then go and find another job. Just leave. Then try to live and survive outside of those sheltered careers.

While I fully agree with the jest of your post, I think your choice of examples is a bit of. Doctors, yes, most if not all chose that career for the money (to be able to buy a Porker or such), not to help people.

Nurses, that's a different story. We all know hospitals, like all businesses, are always looking to cut costs and often the staff pays the price: more patients per nurse, more stress, long hours, refused holiday requests etc. I don't think any of them were expecting that when they chose health care.

And teachers, well, I wouldn't want to do their job, facing those ungrateful brats every day and risking conflict with the parents every time you reprimand one. A colleague of mine used to work as a teacher. Her first assignment was in known difficult school. In her early twenties, small of stature and too nice for her own good, she was properly terrorised. They even tried to set her hair on fire! The other teachers weren't inclined to intervene, they were just happy some of the abuse was directed away from them. And the school officials always sided with the students, 'cause the parents were bringing in the money. She went home crying most if not all nights she confessed. And then did the right thing and changed jobs. Good on her! She's now the bright spot in our dull office. I often wondered why she was always in such a good mood at work. When she told the story, I understood: she is genuinely happy to work as a civil servant and have some nice colleagues for a change!

[C8RKH]

@Escape teachers are a victim of their own selfish stupidity and often left wing socialist wokeism (a gross generalisation for sure).

Personally, I would have cameras in every classroom (our teachers oppose) so problem children can be identified and dealt with swiftly and with purpose.

Then it would not matter re size etc.

In my comprehensive state school of 1200 kids, the most feared teacher was the 5ft 1" female, Irish, firebrand of an English teacher. I do not recall any pupil giving her "shit" and winning. She scared the hell out of us and coincidentally was, in my humble opinion, the best teacher in the school.

I wouldn't want to be a nurse or a teacher, hence I'm not either. I stand by my comment that if you don't like it/enjoy it then go do something else. No use "suffering" a job you don't enjoy. If you choose to stay in the job, then stop the whining. It is what it is.

[Escape]

Cameras are a 2 sided blade...

And yes, size matters not. She's just too nice and thus an easy victim. As said, she did change jobs and is all the better for it now. But I'm sure she is not the only one who chose a career only to be let down by the system once in it. And we do need teachers and nurses...

[C8RKH]

Of course cameras are, which is why our teachers don't want them as too many would be shown up for the shit job they do.

I've not said teaching or nursing is easy, I know it can be tough but anyone going in to the profession should know that, and the t&c's and pay. Mining, welding, etc. Tough jobs too. Pay less. No job for life security. No gilt edged pension etc and let's not forget Teachers get on average 6 weeks more holiday than anyone else.

[exeterjeep]

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/activists-destroy-tyres-on-dozens-of-suvs-at-dealership-as-act-of-retaliation-for-girls-deaths/288009

Happened here in Exeter...

More than 60 SUVs at a Jaguar dealership in Exeter had their tyres destroyed by activists yesterday in an ‘act of retaliation’ following the deaths of two girls who were killed in a crash at a school.

Nuria Sajjad and Selena Lau, who were both eight, died after a Land Rover ploughed through a fence and into The Study Prep School in Wimbledon, south-west London, on July 6.

[Escape]

This popped up, seems fitting to the discussion above. And after what our management pulled on me, I fully agree.

I've also heard "I'm here to make money, not friend". Though I must admit one of the reasons I've stuck to the same office job for 17 years have been the few good colleagues. That and really not giving a lot of fecks. 😛

[C8RKH]

36 minutes ago, exeterjeep said:

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/activists-destroy-tyres-on-dozens-of-suvs-at-dealership-as-act-of-retaliation-for-girls-deaths/288009

Happened here in Exeter...

More than 60 SUVs at a Jaguar dealership in Exeter had their tyres destroyed by activists yesterday in an ‘act of retaliation’ following the deaths of two girls who were killed in a crash at a school.

Nuria Sajjad and Selena Lau, who were both eight, died after a Land Rover ploughed through a fence and into The Study Prep School in Wimbledon, south-west London, on July 6.

And what a bullshit reason that was for wanton destruction. It sickens me when people use a tragedy like that to justify their pitiful, petulant, and entitled behaviour.

The car had nothing to do with it - it was just an object. The failure and error was with the driver and that is where the anger and the ramifications should be targeted. Using the tragic deaths of young children to justify your illegal actions. Terrible.

These people who think disruption and destruction is justified as a "protest" should be tarred and feathered. Everyone has a right to protest. To free speech. But that is not the same as a right to disrupt or destroy. W@nkers. The lot of them.

[Barrykearley]

9 hours ago, C8RKH said:

In my comprehensive state school of 1200 kids, the most feared teacher was the 5ft 1" female, Irish, firebrand of an English teacher. I do not recall any pupil giving her "shit" and winning. She scared the hell out of us and coincidentally was, in my humble opinion, the best teacher in the school.

My kids school had a maths teacher just the same. Lady just under 5ft - she was Iranian and amazing at her job. Bad kids were terrified of her - good kids loved her. She got amazing results out of all of them and really was superb. She left a couple of years ago - but I’ve used her for private tuition when mine have struggled as she’s inspiring.

[C8RKH]

My point @Barrykearley - good teachers are out there and deliver. They don't whinge and whine, they do.

[Barrykearley]

@C8RKH the trouble is with so many things like teaching and healthcare are the people whom enter it based not on wishing to make a difference. 
I was a director of an academy for a while and a governor also and interviewed probably over 100 teachers for various roles. Of those I would say 3 or 4 were inspirational teachers and absolutely amazing. The rest - yep they could probably do the job but without the magic. It really is a calling rather than a career.

The paperwork the government drown these sectors in is disgusting.