Evora Sport 410

[CocoPops]

Good read.

would be interested in a back to back 410 vs 400 though, to see if your thoughts about power/weight/acceleration etc are good or bad.

[Snoopy1969]

@The Pits

Great write-up, many thanks for sharing your thoughts and ecxperience on the 410! Many thanks to  @RJB also, of course!

Some questions: Is the difference between a 400 and a 410 enough to justify the Price difference?

Maybe not, looking ad the Prices in Europe: a used 400 start ca 78 K €, a Dutch dealer gives you 25% on a new 400, a new 410 (some Options) will go around 117 - 120 € (Germany, Belgium for example)

Having this in mind, i come to the conclusion that only a "non-Option" 410, because it is "really" different would make sense, but then: maybe worth waiting for the "Carbon-edition" Evora announced by JMG?

You are talking about "legal" Speed on B-roads, well I think therefore not matter if you have an NA, S, 400 or 410 - all will give you a pleasant experience - on normal roads (esp for the "normal" Driver) I guess that the differences of the supercharged models are extremely small), maybe, just a maybe the cup2 tires of the 410 would not be the best solution for "normal" road conditions?

So: if you have an 400 is it worth trading up? Probably not....

If you want to buy new and can justify the premium: buy what you want, if you want a "good deal", go for a (slightly) used 400, esp if you would buy a 410 "fully" or "nearly fully) optioned?

If money Plays no role, buy a tit-exhaust, otherwise: at least "interesting" Price (what are the costs for having them produced? It is no Akrapovic tit-exhaust I guess ;-)  ???

In the end: a lot of Options, I am happy for everyone who is happy with his Lotus! (There will be no "perfect" solution...)

[The Pits]

50 minutes ago, Cypriot said:

Great write up, and many thanks to you and RJB again!

Since you got talking about comparisons to other used cars towards the end of the article, I would ask one question to see what your thoughts were: A 410 with some options at £88k or a lightly used 400 at around £65k? Would genuinely like to know comments from anyone!

I would personally go for the best Evora SR, I prefer the interior generally, the Recaro seats in particular. The reference to one in the classifieds is real. There's a Daytona Blue car with less than 4,000 miles for £48k. Such a nice car. But yes for someone that prefers the look of the 400 and wants the extra power at high revs a used 400 has much to offer.

43 minutes ago, CocoPops said:

Good read.

would be interested in a back to back 410 vs 400 though, to see if your thoughts about power/weight/acceleration etc are good or bad.

Yes a back-to-back with the 400 would have been the best way to do it. With some more support from Lotus, that's what I would have asked for, on road and track. Lotus should have arranged that for the press launch also but didn't. No magazine has compared the 410 with the 400 either. The difference is unlikely to be enough to justify the cost to change for a 400 owner but its great for everyone else that the chargecooled Evoras come in two distinct flavours. Going from 400 to 410 isn't really an upgrade, more a move sideways. One that makes more sense for those who like their cars to be a bit more raw and direct, less sense for those that prefer a bit more comfort.

I hope this also helps to answer some of Willi's questions. I agree that keeping the options to a minimum makes sense with a 410 on a number of levels. Like those who wanted a stereo in their Exige 360 Cup, it seems to be assuming that it's some sort of 'flagship' Exige but loading it up with weight erodes the very thing that makes it different. As for legal speeds on a B road, yes the Evora na is also a great car for that. But the Sport 410 maintains that ability plus adds extra performance for when you can use it. The comparison was more with other fast cars like the Nissan GTR or 911 which aren't as communicative at slower speeds. How many times do you hear about fast cars coming 'alive' at 100mph (160kph)? The Sport 410 feels alive at 40mph and in this regard even more so than the Evora 400.

 

[Neal H]

Comparing new cars to used cars isn't fair at any price point!

New sports cars are bought purely with the heart, the head has no say in the matter!!

Great write up Jonny.

[CocoPops]

Interestingly, I just compared the parts guide.

The Springs are the SAME part numbers for 400 and 410, it's the dampers that are different part numbers. So in theory, to get the handling the same, it's mild geometry changes and dampers (yes, ignoring the car weight and wheel/tyre differences)

[blindside]

Great article Jonny. Perfect additional supplement for the video.

It's again helped me to get over any qualms about p/xing & 410 ownership costs. Now really looking forward to the prospect of 410 ownership in a few months time; particularly the carbon buckets & bling.  

[The Pits]

Like Rocky says, when sports car depreciation knocks you down, it's about taking the hit like a man, picking yourself up, dusting yourself off and getting back in that Lotus showroom to do it all over again.

He had a Lamborghini Jalpa so he knows what he's talking about! 

Every time you have a wobble just go and take another look at the close-ups of the carbon panels on Richard's car. That should sort you out!

To drive a Sport 410 is to want one. On the roads you have in N. Ireland, heck the whole of Ireland too, you are in for a serious treat!

 

[Snoopy1969]

Is that a 410? It does not look like a carbon Roof but maybe hard to see because of the lights?

(from the vid within the exige 380 thread)

[Trevsked]

21 hours ago, LF1 said:

The new Garmin sat nav units have a wireless reversing camera. With the added bonus of you can leave the sat nav in the garage when you are in track so no weight considerations which we all know is a massive issue having the head unit. Oh and having a full english before the track day...

Cheers Tom, didn't know that and seems a great way to go.

 

Trevor.

[LF1]

Grrrrr.... thanks a lot Jonny. "Out of sight and out of mind" and all that.

[Cypriot]

@Snoopy1969 its definitely a 410.  obviously has the CF tailgate, but also has the CF three-quarter glass, and also the 410 wheels. Is this anyones on TLF?!:P

[Bravo73]

On 17/02/2017 at 12:13, JayEmm said:

Wing mirrors are first on my sh1t list. I've been admiring McLaren and Aston Martin ones too much lately, the Lotus ones are a bit embarrassing to be honest.

I'm not sure why. V8 Vantage wing mirrors are from a Volvo!

[SFO]

from the days when Aston and Volvo were owned by Ford

[Bravo73]

Indeed. The V8 Vantage and DB9 are classic, 'parts bin' specials. Most parts stickers are from Volvo, Ford or Jaguar. ISTR that the (pretty rubbish) first gen sat nav had a Volvo sticker but was actually manufactured by Mitsubishi. 

[gregs24]

Because the V40 and Mitsubishi Carisma (not) were a combined project with the two companies combining resources.

[Bravo73]

Aha, well there you go! [/thread drift]

[blindside]

9 hours ago, The Pits said:

Like Rocky says, when sports car depreciation knocks you down, it's about taking the hit like a man, picking yourself up, dusting yourself off and getting back in that Lotus showroom to do it all over again.

He had a Lamborghini Jalpa so he knows what he's talking about! 

Every time you have a wobble just go and take another look at the close-ups of the carbon panels on Richard's car. That should sort you out!

To drive a Sport 410 is to want one. On the roads you have in N. Ireland, heck the whole of Ireland too, you are in for a serious treat!

 

Ha Ha. You are not wrong there; and a very apt boxing analogy thrown in as well for good measure! You should be running the Lotus marketing team Jonny

[The Pits]

Seriously, love the roads you have up your way. Been out around Donnegal in my Elise a few years ago. Just stunning. Not many better places to enjoy a Evora 410, we'll be wanting to see some videos of that!

[blindside]

I  will certainly try to oblige with the video. This is literally just up (as opposed to down) the road for me.  

Also intend to get across to attend any big TLF meets over the summer, or if the dates work any Alpine road trips.

[C8RKH]

It was a Volvo satnav, same as the Aston, that was put into the £175k Bentley Arnage too.....

[JayEmm]

If the mirror itself was shared I am fairly sure the mirror Base was a bespoke item? It is very obvious even sitting in the 400 the mirrors are pinched from another car. I can hardly see one of them. And they are both at full adjustment to be barely usable.

It's not that I hate them, but I think they are an area the looks of the 400/410 can be greatly improved and possibly another area the S1 was nicer. Although, I do like the fact we could lose the body mounted repeater.

Looking forward to seeing more 410 stuff also

[Neal H]

I just spotted this. Seems Silverstone Lotus have sold their 410. Bronze wheels - I like it!

[The Pits]

I thought that was a customer order car and belongs to a member here? Really nice though either way.

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

Is that the green Silverstone 410 on the left behind the white car? I remember seeing one parked in that position with 410 decals on the side a few weeks ago.

[LF1]

It's the Silverstone one - customer requested the wheel change. It was on their FB page.