Carbone Lorraine Brake Pads

[RedViper]

Has anyone used Carbone Lorraine brake pads on the V6? I used them on my old S240 and was happy enough with them just wondered if anyone has any experience with V6. 

Also the little note on bottom of advert on Elise shop "By using a 2mm shorter pad, we're able to use these pads both on the front and on the rear of Evora and Exige V6.
Price is per axle!" puts me off slightly as in my head that means I'm getting 2mm less contact between disc and pad. Is this wrong?

Cheers

 

[Bibs]

I believe that CL pads don't play well with the salt used on UK roads and have a tendency to crumble. Unless you're car is 100% for track use,  I'd be avoiding them. 

[RedViper]

It's no track car but is garaged and hardly used in winter. 

Any suggestions (ideally based on experience with v6)?. I think OEM is mighty impressive but if I'm going to change them I don't want to miss opportunity to upgrade to something better. 

Edited June 29, 2016 by RedViper

[alias23]

The 2mm shorter at the back is the norm

[RedViper]

1 hour ago, alias23 said:

The 2mm shorter at the back is the norm

would that be ok then? Is it the height of the pad off the backing plate that's 2mm shorter or does it mean the backing plate is 2mm shorter and therefore if fitted in front wouldn't be snug fit ?

cheers

[Seriouslylotus]

The Evora and V6 Exige front and rear brake pads are very very similar. However they have one major difference, The front pads have a radial depth of 55mm, The rear pads have a radial depth of 50mm.

The rear pads will go into the front, but the fronts will not fit into the rear. Carbone Lorraine DO NOT make the correct pads for the front of these cars. So yes the pads from CL offered by some specialists will go in to the front caliper but they are not the right shape/size. (read to small in radial depth) Caveat emptor

The same situation arises when going for the 343 big disc upgrade, they offer the rear pads for front fitment because they use off the shelf discs that aren't really the correct sizes.

I will try and remember to take a picture tomorrow of the two pads to show what I mean...........

Length of pad is the same so they fit just fine but with reduced friction area

 

Edited June 29, 2016 by Seriouslylotus

[RedViper]

12 hours ago, Seriouslylotus said:

The Evora and V6 Exige front and rear brake pads are very very similar. However they have one major difference, The front pads have a radial depth of 55mm, The rear pads have a radial depth of 50mm.

The rear pads will go into the front, but the fronts will not fit into the rear. Carbone Lorraine DO NOT make the correct pads for the front of these cars. So yes the pads from CL offered by some specialists will go in to the front caliper but they are not the right shape/size. (read to small in radial depth) Caveat emptor

The same situation arises when going for the 343 big disc upgrade, they offer the rear pads for front fitment because they use off the shelf discs that aren't really the correct sizes.

I will try and remember to take a picture tomorrow of the two pads to show what I mean...........

Length of pad is the same so they fit just fine but with reduced friction area

 

Thanks for the reply. It makes sense now. Based on this information I would not use them on the V6 then. seems crazy to think you would intentionally reduce friction area.

[Gashead1105]

CL pads are shite in my experience. Fitted them as an 'upgrade' on a Megane 250 I had a few years ago. Lasted one trackday, went back to OE after that. If I were looking to go beyond OE on my exige I would be wanting Pagid ceramics assuming they make them @Seriouslylotus - can you confirm? They were amazing on my S2 sprint; bought it thinking it would need new pads shortly but did 10k miles and many trackdays over 3.5 years before changing them a few months before I sold it!!

Personally I find the OE pads to be very good, but I've only done a couple of cooler trackdays with it - however I don't expect that to change, I believe they are equivalent to Ferodo DS2500s which I previously used as an upgrade on a clio 182 (very similar weight to the V6) and again they were great over many trackdays and other significant abuse per year!

[alias23]

I had problems with pad transfer with the Pagid RS14's. Since then moved to the Komotec setup which uses Performance Friction which have been epic.

[Seriouslylotus]

1 hour ago, alias23 said:

I had problems with pad transfer with the Pagid RS14's. Since then moved to the Komotec setup which uses Performance Friction which have been epic.

But still use the narrower rear brake pad in the front...............

[RedViper]

5 hours ago, Gashead1105 said:

CL pads are shite in my experience. Fitted them as an 'upgrade' on a Megane 250 I had a few years ago. Lasted one trackday, went back to OE after that. If I were looking to go beyond OE on my exige I would be wanting Pagid ceramics assuming they make them @Seriouslylotus - can you confirm? They were amazing on my S2 sprint; bought it thinking it would need new pads shortly but did 10k miles and many trackdays over 3.5 years before changing them a few months before I sold it!!

Personally I find the OE pads to be very good, but I've only done a couple of cooler trackdays with it - however I don't expect that to change, I believe they are equivalent to Ferodo DS2500s which I previously used as an upgrade on a clio 182 (very similar weight to the V6) and again they were great over many trackdays and other significant abuse per year!

I had DS2500 in my Civic Type R years ago and really liked them. I did find on cold damp mornings though you could get scary moments with next to no brakes at first couple of junctions. I wouldn't have guessed the Exige was running the same but then again, its garaged and rarely goes out in winter.

A friend always puts the Pagid 242s on his cars but haven't seen them for the Exige... cue the link to somewhere obvious

[RedViper]

Anyone tried the Pagid RS14's? just seen them on Elise Parts

[alias23]

3 minutes ago, RedViper said:

Anyone tried the Pagid RS14's? just seen them on Elise Parts

Yes I have and had issues with pad transfer. Really wasn't happy with them but I am aware some people have had good experiences.

[RedViper]

5 minutes ago, alias23 said:

Yes I have and had issues with pad transfer. Really wasn't happy with them but I am aware some people have had good experiences.

sorry is misread your post. I thought you had the RS29s

[RedViper]

2 hours ago, Seriouslylotus said:

But still use the narrower rear brake pad in the front...............

So bigger disc and thinner pad? hmm. something doesn't add up there.

[Bravo73]

I have got RS29s in my Evora and can highly recommend them. Combined with SRF fluid, I have had no signs of fade after a couple of days at Hethel and then Spa. No signs of pad transfer or vibrations either. (When I bought them, it was stressed by the seller that not only do they need to be bedded in according to Pagid's instructions but it's just as important to remove any previous pad material from the disks). 

They are also very good on the road and my only (mild) critism is that the initial bite is so improved over the stock pads that it can sometimes catch you out. They also aren't cheap: £4-500 for both axles. 

[Arun_D]

23 hours ago, Seriouslylotus said:

But still use the narrower rear brake pad in the front...............

Dave, is this still the case with the PF08 pads you sell, or specific to the pads supplied on the Komotec setup? I see you offer two separate PF08 items for  the V6 (front and rear pads).

[Seriouslylotus]

5 hours ago, Arun_D said:

Dave, is this still the case with the PF08 pads you sell, or specific to the pads supplied on the Komotec setup? I see you offer two separate PF08 items for  the V6 (front and rear pads).

Performance friction pads are available in two different part numbers for the V6 cars (Fronts with 55mm radial depth and rears with 50mm radial depth). Ferodo 2500 pads are also available in the two correct sizes. Cant comment on what KT use/sell, but knowing the disc they use on the 343 kit then I assume they use the smaller rear pad (that's what it says when you look at part numbers etc on there site)

CL Pads are only available in the rear size

Pagid RS14 and RS29 are only made in the front sizes but can/are water jet cut too reduce the radial depth so they are also correct for the rears.

Not sure about other pad makes and compounds

[RedViper]

On 2 July 2016 at 17:19, Seriouslylotus said:

Performance friction pads are available in two different part numbers for the V6 cars (Fronts with 55mm radial depth and rears with 50mm radial depth). Ferodo 2500 pads are also available in the two correct sizes. Cant comment on what KT use/sell, but knowing the disc they use on the 343 kit then I assume they use the smaller rear pad (that's what it says when you look at part numbers etc on there site)

CL Pads are only available in the rear size

Pagid RS14 and RS29 are only made in the front sizes but can/are water jet cut too reduce the radial depth so they are also correct for the rears.

Not sure about other pad makes and compounds

Great information. In your experience are the performance friction pads better (I know subjective) than ferodos?

 

[Seriouslylotus]

2 hours ago, RedViper said:

Great information. In your experience are the performance friction pads better (I know subjective) than ferodos?

 

In a different league completely. However, They are a full race pad and are noisy when not up to temperature. I never tell people to use them as if you find the standard pads to be ok and not lacking I doubt you will get the PF Pads upto the correct working temps (possible on track but defo not on the road) I collect my car this week all being well and will be fitting PF as  soon as I can so will know what they are like when drive sedately on the road.

[RedViper]

Ok I think I have a few months life left in the standard pads so will see how you fair on the road with the PF before making decision?

Edited July 3, 2016 by RedViper

[D.no]

They can squeal a tad at normal road temperatures, but I've never used a track-biased pad that doesn't. I'm probably in the minority here, and admittedly slightly unhinged, but I actually quite like the noise. In terms of performance - they're very very good on the road, but can be a little grabby/snatchy when fine modulation is required at very low speeds (but that's just as likely my complete lack of deftness as any failing on behalf of the brake pads!)

Just to clarify, the noise is only really present in town driving scenarios - 30mph or less, traffic-light to traffic-light stop/start stuff, and only after they've lost some warmth.

Hope this helps.

[RedViper]

10 minutes ago, D.no said:

They can squeal a tad at normal road temperatures, but I've never used a track-biased pad that doesn't. I'm probably in the minority here, and admittedly slightly unhinged, but I actually quite like the noise. In terms of performance - they're very very good on the road, but can be a little grabby/snatchy when fine modulation is required at very low speeds (but that's just as likely my complete lack of deftness as any failing on behalf of the brake pads!)

Just to clarify, the noise is only really present in town driving scenarios - 30mph or less, traffic-light to traffic-light stop/start stuff, and only after they've lost some warmth.

Hope this helps.

Hi thanks. 

I presume your talking about the perofmance friction ones? The 08 compound.

Cheers

 

[D.no]

Yes, sorry - PF08's

[geartox]

I have ordered PF08 from Komotec I will share with you my feedback in few weeks