Brexit

[Kimbers]

I have given up listening about it now. The BBC is so biased it's unbelievable. Maybe something to do with all those pesky journo's who work the EU Parliament and the BBC's EU monies perhaps?

I can see them pushing the Govt until it caves and they get another vote. I just hope that if the result is the opposite of the first that the 52% who voted to leave originally so the same as the remainers and cause so much hassle they have to do it again.

Does my head in. It's been done, deal with it! it's called democracy!

 

[pete]

Chancellor Hammond has to go,one of his jobs should be to install confidence in the country not the opposite.

Ditto Carney

[Barrykearley]

34 minutes ago, Kimbers said:

I have given up listening about it now. The BBC is so biased it's unbelievable. Maybe something to do with all those pesky journo's who work the EU Parliament and the BBC's EU monies perhaps?

I can see them pushing the Govt until it caves and they get another vote. I just hope that if the result is the opposite of the first that the 52% who voted to leave originally so the same as the remainers and cause so much hassle they have to do it again.

Does my head in. It's been done, deal with it! it's called democracy!

 

If this vote gets reversed -  there will be widespread rioting. I shall be going to prison

[Dan E]

How about letting everyone who didn’t vote, have the vote? 

[Barrykearley]

They clearly have no respect for the folks who laid down their tomorrows. 

There is no excuse not to vote. None what so ever

[Dan E]

It’s the only fair way chap. Then we would really know 

[Chillidoggy]

Remoaners have no air-con. No wonder they’re moaning.

[Barrykearley]

1 hour ago, Dan E said:

It’s the only fair way chap. Then we would really know 

Folks were absolutely free to vote last time. We live in the free world - with a proper democracy. We are not a communist state.

[Dan E]

I am going to dive out of this chaps with a back flip because this is a lotus forum not a Brexit forum x 

[CHANGES]

10 hours ago, Dan E said:

How about letting everyone who didn’t vote, have the vote? 

 

10 hours ago, Dan E said:

It’s the only fair way chap. Then we would really know 

 

9 hours ago, Dan E said:

I am going to dive out of this chaps with a back flip because this is a lotus forum not a Brexit forum x 

This is the sort of crap the remoaners and the BBC dish out all the time, .... and it is crap, but with a subliminal message suggesting the vote was not fair or complete... 

We all had the chance to vote,  those that did not go to the polling station etc,  voted to abstain by doing nothing.. Those people voted to leave the choices/result to others as they were not bothered which way the vote went..   So crass comments as quoted above are just antagonistic. 

The last quote is also typical of a BBC or media action,  make or report a comment be it fact or fiction then back away .. your subliminal message is done , without recall .....     The difference here on this forum is the right to reply . Yes it is a Lotus forum but this thread is in General chat under a Brexit heading.      If you feel the replies are conclusive ,then just back away , say nothing.  But to imply we should not be allowed to comment on the Brexit debate in the General chat section because it is a Lotus forum beggars belief. 

If the media/BBC allowed such free and open comments as this forum does on the Brexit subject,  a more balanced outlook would be reported ,instead of the one sided drivel we get constantly served with..               

[Dan E]

@CHANGES completely uncalled for, completely over the top and bordering on unpleasant. 

 

 

[ChrisJ]

Here's a reminder of (part of) David Cameron's speech 10/11/2015 (my additional formatting).

10/11/2015 - https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/prime-ministers-speech-on-europe

Quote

Britain’s future

I am not saying for one moment that Britain couldn’t survive outside the European Union.

Of course we could. We are a great country. The fifth largest economy in the world. The fastest growing economy in the G7 last year. The biggest destination for foreign direct investment in the EU. Our capital city a global icon. The world, literally, speaks our language. Last month the President of China spent a week in this country. This week the Prime Minister of India will visit. They see a great future for this country that we all love.

No one doubts that Britain is a proud, successful thriving country. A nation that has turned round its fortunes though its own efforts. A far cry from the ‘sick man of Europe’ at the time we entered the European Economic Community 4 decades ago. Whether we could be successful outside the European Union – that’s not the question.

The question is whether we would be more successful in than out? Whether being in the European Union adds to our economic security or detracts from it? Whether being in the European Union makes us safer or less safe? That is a matter of judgment. And ultimately it will be the judgment of the British people in the referendum that I promised and that I will deliver.

You will have to judge what is best for you and your family, for your children and grandchildren, for our country, for our future. It will be your decision whether to remain in the EU on the basis of the reforms we secure, or whether we leave.

Your decision.

Nobody else’s.

Not politicians’.

Not Parliament’s.

Not lobby groups’.

Not mine.

Just you.

You, the British people, will decide.

At that moment, you will hold this country’s destiny in your hands. This is a huge decision for our country, perhaps the biggest we will make in our lifetimes.

And it will be the final decision.

So to those who suggest that a decision in the referendum to leave……would merely produce another stronger renegotiation and then a second referendum in which Britain would stay……I say think again. The renegotiation is happening right now.

And the referendum that follows will be a once in a generation choice. An in or out referendum.

When the British people speak, their voice will be respected – not ignored.

If we vote to leave, then we will leave.

There will not be another renegotiation and another referendum.

So I say to my European counterparts with whom I am negotiating. This is our only chance to get this right – for Britain and for the whole European Union.

I say to those who are thinking about voting to leave. Think very carefully, because this choice cannot be undone.

And to those who are campaigning to leave but actually hoping for a second referendum – I say decide what you believe in. If you think we should leave – and leave means leave – then campaign for that and vote for it.

But if you are actually arguing for a better relationship between Britain and the European Union, then don’t campaign to get out. Work with me to get that better deal for Britain.

 

[C8RKH]

41 minutes ago, Dan E said:

@CHANGES completely uncalled for, completely over the top and bordering on unpleasant. 

 

 

Why? Because he flatly disagreed with you and presented a different POV?

He hasn't attacked you or called you names, he's just called you out 

To be honest I thought your comment re "letting everyone who didn't vote have a vote", unbelievable. The point is THEY HAD the chance to vote and did not. When does it stop Dan? When the answer finally agrees with you?

The point of a democracy is freedom of speech. You were free to speak and did. Others equally free responded but you were not attacked.

Then having poked the bear in a "Lotus Forum" because your logic was challenged you decide its unpleasant.

I find that over the top to be honest.

However I don't want to fall out with anyone on here so I will not return to this aspect of the thread.

[Dan E]

However I don't want to fall out with anyone on here so I will not return to this aspect of the thread.

You got it in a nutshell with the above and that is exactly what I am going to do 

[Barrykearley]

1 hour ago, ChrisJ said:

Here's a reminder of (part of) David Cameron's speech 10/11/2015 (my additional formatting).

10/11/2015 - https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/prime-ministers-speech-on-europe

 

That sums it up perfectly. That was a concise, precise and directly to the point speech.

at no point was there any option other than the outcome of the once in a lifetime vote

[CHANGES]

2 hours ago, Dan E said:

@CHANGES completely uncalled for, completely over the top and bordering on unpleasant. 

 

 

That's pretty much what in thought about your comments.. !

42 minutes ago, Dan E said:

However I don't want to fall out with anyone on here so I will not return to this aspect of the thread.

You got it in a nutshell with the above and that is exactly what I am going to do 

I don't think anyone want's to fall out on the forum.  My remarks on your posts were focused on the content not the person posting.  Sorry you were offended Dan.      However it does not detract from the fact an open forum provides a wide and varied debating platform.   View's and opinions wherein are expressed and challenged in order for a broad spectrum of understanding can be reached by all parties.  This does not mean you have to agree or disagree with what is said , just be aware that others have a voice too ..       As I said if the BBC was as open with challenges to similar statements they make ,then public prospective of Brexit would be very different. 

   

[Barrykearley]

Roll on March.

i sincerely hope that all the business folks and political meddlers who will be proved wrong are then fully upheld for their actions and discharged from any public office.

In the cases of some - I’d also consider them to have broken misconduct in public office laws

[C8RKH]

As an example of how skewed and biased the reporting is, the BBC interviewed the owner of Cawston Press, a soft drinks manufacturer that uses predominantly locally grown fruit that is pressed etc.

It was all doom and gloom about how Brexit is going to make his life harder and cost his company money through extra VAT/Import and admin charges.

Now, if the BBC interviewer had a half brain and used those powers of thought it provided, the next questions could be:

1. But with the fall in the price of the pound, whilst that makes it more expensive for you to buy in ingredients from abroad, it makes your finished product more competitive overseas from a price point perspective, so, arguably could the impact really be cost neutral overall?

2. The pound in our pocket (the consumers) is still worth a pound. So compared to the competition in the UK from abroad, the likes of San Pelegrino with their overpriced tin foil topped cans of fizzy fruit juice, does that not present you with an ideal opportunity to compete on price and quality and capture significantly more UK market share to drive and boost your profits and cash flow? Plus, San Pelegrino make less profit to take home when the pound is low so the UK market becomes less attractive to them.

3. You have the opportunity to replicaet your business, using the business and market know how you have collected here in the UK, in any other European country. What is stopping you from setting up in a similarly country with good fruit agriculture, say Poland, Romania etc. and use that to take a locally produced product within the EU to the market in the EU?  After all, any profits you make would be in Euro's which would be worth more when you brought the profit back to the UK due to the lower pound value.

I've never said it is going to be an easy ride. But here is the rub for me. You can either sit back and hold your head in your hands and say it is not fair. It is not what I voted for.The decision was not right for me. Or you can jump up off your arse, accept that what is being presented is an opportunity, and put together a plan and a strategy to make it work and succeed. You can do that if you are a private business, a public business, or an individual. Or of course you can sit and cry into your spilt milk.

So, if I owned Cawstons Press I'd be thinking great, I can finally push out the San Pelegrino's of this world and replace their stock shelf space with my better, locally sourced and produced, cheaper, products.  The added advantage for the eco warriors out there is that we stop needlessly moving stuff like this huge distances across land, sea and air and do something good for the environment. The big win is that the consumer cocks who insist on buying bottled water imported from abroad will hopefully finally wake up how they have been scammed out of thousands for years...

So, Negative and un-accepting attitude = not my fault and life's just unfair and it's all your fault as I'm the victim in this. Or.  Positive and accepting attitude = I'm a winner and we're going to make this work so let's work together to make it work.

I know which approach I find the most appealing and which is likely to produce the best outcome. Two fooking years after the referendum and still people cannot just accept the democratic vote and continue to whinge, usurp and complain. For crying out loud. Unbelievable.

 

[Barrykearley]

This popped up on FB earlier - made me chuckle

 

[pete]

Not often he makes people chuckle

[Andyww]

11 hours ago, C8RKH said:

The big win is that the consumer cocks who insist on buying bottled water imported from abroad will hopefully finally wake up how they have been scammed out of thousands for years...

 

 

This is a perfect example of the benefits of being outside the customs union. The government could, and should, impose the maximum possible tariff on imported bottled water to discourage idiots from buying water thats been trucked over from France in plastic bottles. The cost to the environment of this nonsense is huge.

 

1 hour ago, pete said:

Not often he makes people chuckle

No way he would have said that himself, made up quote but correct.

[pete]

BBC now saying no deal may affect the grand national. Scraping the barrel comes to mind

[Barrykearley]

You should try listening to Jeremy Vine....

[pete]

Some of his subjects are a bit desperate,likes to play devils advocate

[USAndretti42]

On 21/08/2018 at 08:04, CHANGES said:

I see they are at it again today.....  This time big scare stories about the NHS  saying If there is a hard  Brexit then we may have trouble getting essential drugs needed to prevent diseases that could mean not being able to get treatment needed..   

Notice the IF's , the MAY's , and the COULD's , in that statement..    By including those words the statement , although inflammatory in its nature is not at all definitive..     This is a classic case of FALSE NEWS, again..   We have no evidence there will or will not be a hard Brexit.     Making this sort statement based on supposition is pure scare mongering to undermine the British people confidence in any and all procedures so the agitators can sacrifice democracy for their own selfish ends..  

If as much effort was put into a positive Brexit by the same people the EU would be bending over backwards for trade deals with the UK..    Its a classic case of elements of the remain side trying to weaken the position of the UK in negotiations by inflaming engineered comments on subjects creating  subliminal messages to the general public.   

We need someone to stand up and counter all these statements and expose them for what they really are...  The biggest problem is the Media (mainly the BBC)  are all on the remain side , so getting air time will be impossible..    

In September 1940  Germany wasted its time bombing London..  They should have just infiltrated the BBC in 1938..        

Isn't it just a case of scare stories sell news while people aren't interested in good news?