Brexit

[Neal H]

I'm 55 and I've voted in every election that I've been eligible to vote in. I view it as my democratic duty - democracy only works if you get out and vote, or so I thought.

I will continue to vote because I continue to believe in democracy, even though our elected MP's seem hell-bent on subverting it. I am a Tory voter by nature, but unless this parliament delivers on the referendum result I will never vote for a candidate of the Conservative, Labour or Liberal Democratic parties again. Who I end up voting for will depend on who's on my ballot paper, but it wont be any candidate with Conservative, Labour or Lib Dem under their name.

I am genuinely shocked that mainstream politians have betrayed the electorate, I never thought I'd see the day.

[mayevora]

4 hours ago, Neal H said:

 I will never vote for a candidate of the Conservative, Labour or Liberal Democratic parties again. Who I end up voting for will depend on who's on my ballot paper, but it wont be any candidate with Conservative, Labour or Lib Dem under their name.

Totally agree - and exactly what I posted 2-3 pages back.

[Bibs]

PM Theresa May loses MPs’ vote on Brexit deal by 432 votes to 202 - the biggest government defeat in history

[Barrykearley]

Great - now have we left the Eu yet?

[slewthy]

To quote Hamlet Act III, Scene III, line 87...

 

 

No

[clivef38]

No deal. Out out out. That's what i voted for. 

[slewthy]

They absolutely have to get us out. They are our servants in this.

If they dont, all 650 should go.

NI issue has been expanded out of all proportion. EU massively to blame. They are clearly desperate for us not to leave which makes me even clearer that that must be the right thing to do.

[Bibs]

The EU glitteraty are shitting themselves that we'll leave without a deal now. That's their problem, not ours as they're the only ones who want a deal as it's all in their favour. 

May's deal was a disaster, we're better off out without and acting as a sovereign nation, leaving Brussels to their own self-serving buffoonery. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/15/eus-tusk-suggests-the-uk-should-cancel-brexit-after-historic-defeat.html

[Barrykearley]

And tomorrow is the dawn of a brand new day.

these politicians should hang their heads in shame for all the hero’s who gave their today for our tomorrow 

[ChrisJ]

 

 

[C8RKH]

10 hours ago, Bibs said:

May's deal was a disaster, we're better off out without and acting as a sovereign nation, leaving Brussels to their own self-serving buffoonery. 

But can we just also make sure we send the 650 Buffoons to the Buffoonery as we leave?  

I'm totally dismayed at the self serving nature of our current crop of politicians - all of them!  We had a peoples vote back in 2016 with the largest ever electoral turnout so why there are calls for another "peoples vote" are beyond comprehension. What do we do if remain wins. Then have a 3rd vote and so on?

Corbyn has completely cooked himself here - he has shown his card and the only thing on is a tantrum that says "I wanna be PM no matter what the cost to the country". If he had any principles at all he should be holding his head in shame.

Damn the lot of them. Bloody fools, idiots, and buffoons.

[Bibs]

The law is in place for us to leave on WTO terms. The Government ought to go back to Brussels and say: if we can't agree anything in the interim that is what will happen. pic.twitter.com/0J94Qvq1RH

— Jacob Rees-Mogg (@Jacob_Rees_Mogg) January 15, 2019

[auRouge]

3 hours ago, C8RKH said:

Corbyn has completely cooked himself here - he has shown his card and the only thing on is a tantrum that says "I wanna be PM no matter what the cost to the country". If he had any principles at all he should be holding his head in shame.

Damn the lot of them. Bloody fools, idiots, and buffoons.

Damn indeed. None of them doing their jobs. Corbyn has showed his pathetic cards, utter joke putting his interests before the countries. Vote of no confidence, now.. what a joke.

I’m unsurprisingly to those that know me a remainer simply because I don’t like taking unquantifiable risks. I like the freedom of movement across Europe and welcome trade with our Geographical Neighbours for long term sustainability. I think it’s better to buy Beef from Ireland not Australia.

If you ignore the rhetoric from the  Australian-Born America resident 19.7 Billion Media Mogul (The Sun etc) and his Sky “News” (its not news, it’s Dallas!) empire stirring us all up every morning (It’s the Sun wot won it” etc etc) and coincidentally making millions out of this controversy... you're left with In or Out based on the facts.

Those facts have always been available for individuals to work out, they were there before the referendum. That’s an individual responsibility to do this before you vote. 

But after two years I actually think the complacency in our way of life and the system (Europe included) needs to be outed (no pun intended)... 

Lets go WTO, I don’t want a second referendum, it’s too late for that.. I think the people have spoken, let’s take back control and trust the “Bloody Fools, Idiots and baffoons” to run our country.

Edited January 16, 2019 by auRouge

[pete]

[slewthy]

So, everyone met Teresa apart from JC.

He didnt go because he wasnt prepared to discuss until there were assurances that a no-deal Brexit was not an option.

Think I have that right?

BUT, if he had gone, he could have demanded just that an an opening bid! And when he didnt get the answer he wanted, he could have walked out of the meeting very dramatically. But if he had got the assurance, perhaps meaningful discussions could have progressed this. Ie done what the UK vote has instructed them to do. 

So he is either stupid/has no backbone/wanted to catch up on Strictly?

 

 

[Bibs]

 

[pete]

1 hour ago, slewthy said:

So, everyone met Teresa apart from JC.

He didnt go because he wasnt prepared to discuss until there were assurances that a no-deal Brexit was not an option.

Think I have that right?

BUT, if he had gone, he could have demanded just that an an opening bid! And when he didnt get the answer he wanted, he could have walked out of the meeting very dramatically. But if he had got the assurance, perhaps meaningful discussions could have progressed this. Ie done what the UK vote has instructed them to do. 

So he is either stupid/has no backbone/wanted to catch up on Strictly?

 

 

Unfortunately I think he is holding all the cards right now. There is no way she is going to placate Rees mogg and the other 100 plus conservatives who voted against so her best chance of getting a deal through is Corbyn and his 250 + members. That way she doesn't need to placate her rebels or the DUP

[Neal H]

The only way the EU will genuinely negotiate is if they really believe there is a genuine risk that the UK will leave with no deal. Take that off the table and there's no Brexit.

At the moment the EU has zero reason to negotiate. They already have everything they want.

[C8RKH]

The only card Corbyn is holding right now is the one that says "I will be Prime Minister regardless, it's my birth right". He does not give a damn about the democracy, the electorate or Brexit, he just wants that one thing. That is blatantly clear.  

[march]

1 hour ago, pete said:

Unfortunately I think he is holding all the cards right now.

Unfortunately Corbyn only seems to be able to play snap (and not very well at that) while everyone else wants to play poker. You need a strong good opposition to generate good politics.

[Andyww]

17 minutes ago, C8RKH said:

The only card Corbyn is holding right now is the one that says "I will be Prime Minister regardless, it's my birth right". He does not give a damn about the democracy, the electorate or Brexit, he just wants that one thing. That is blatantly clear.  

Not sure I agree. I dont think Corbyn really wanted to be Labour leader and doesnt really want to be PM. All he wants to do is cause as much pain for the Tories as possible and destroy them.

I have a small window into his supporters clique as a friend from school is an avid supporter. It's difficult to appreciate just how much these people loathe the Tories. They consider them the scum of the earth and that they have some divine right to do anything they can to destroy them. These are people who partied when Thatcher died.

[Advantage]

Present, but not involved. Not even present at this one. 

[mayevora]

(As said on the radio earlier)

Jeremy Corbyn has historically had Meetings/discussions with terrorist groups such as the IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah without preconditions, but says no to dialogue with the UK’s Prime Minister.

A future/possible Prime Minister....Heaven help the UK if that ever happens 😳

 

[slewthy]

And now JC is writing letters to his own party MPs not to discuss the issue with the PM!!!

Its just disgraceful. This is a clear attempt to block the process that has been democratically decided.

The UK did not vote 'leave but only if the Tories negotiate it' or 'leave but only if a general election puts Labour in power' The UK just voted leave. Anything that furthers that decision has to be allowed to proceed. He is being completely undemocratic.

In my eyes, the only thing yet to happen in this fiasco of politics is the call for him to resign! I've got all the sky bits and 3 corners. This is the only piece of the jigsaw missing!!

I agree with above - we need to get as close to no-deal as possible. Its the only was the EU will budge. MPs demanding no-deal is off the table are mis-informed and stupid in the extreme.

 

[Barrykearley]

Let’s have a second referendum to resolve this once and for all.

the best time to have this is say 2 years time - once we have left the EU with no deal in March.

sounds fair