Which drivetrain have you selected?

[Evotion]

Pragmatism!

I wouldn't be buying 2 of them if I thought they will anything other than perfect.

I might as well have got the Gallardo Suoerleggera I was looking at 😁

[Bibs]

Lotus have never been subject to a major recall and they've recently had huge amounts of investment so it's even less likely now than ever.

[Trevsked]

I like swapping gears and using all limbs so it’s a V6 for me. There seems to be a belief that the i4 is a much cheaper alternative, but I may be wrong however I’d think if you equal the spec on both cars then I can’t see there will be too much difference in the cost. Also many are talking of tuning potential of the i4, can see very few people tuning this while in warranty so that will be 3 years away. Why buy a car based on a power upgrade towards the end of 2025? Surely there will be an upgraded Emira to buy then with a fresh warranty? And fives will be on hybrid or all electric by that time with 2030 looming.

 

Trevor.

[Nipper]

I'd have no qualms remapping the M139, especially if Lotus hamstring it to sell the V6, which is the only reason I can see why they are doing it. I doubt many would buy the I4 if it was cheaper and making more power. 

I'm not sure how the I4 is cheaper, they must be making more margin on the V6.

[ramjet]

Have you taken the time to look at the link I posted earlier for the Evora reviews by @Bibs?

I notice that you recommended that @Wake has a test drive of the M139 before he possibly gets an M139 in an Emira.

I was trying to assist you with your perception of the V6 and gearbox options which appears to be a bit skewed?

[Trevsked]

1 hour ago, Nipper said:

I'd have no qualms remapping the M139, especially if Lotus hamstring it to sell the V6, which is the only reason I can see why they are doing it. I doubt many would buy the I4 if it was cheaper and making more power. 

I'm not sure how the I4 is cheaper, they must be making more margin on the V6.

Like I said, very few will do this I think but of course some will. Time will tell.
 

T.

[Nipper]

1 hour ago, ramjet said:

Have you taken the time to look at the link I posted earlier for the Evora reviews by @Bibs?

I notice that you recommended that @Wake has a test drive of the M139 before he possibly gets an M139 in an Emira.

I was trying to assist you with your perception of the V6 and gearbox options which appears to be a bit skewed?

I went through them, I couldn't see much technical info. Seemed like a series of posts by a chap enjoying his car. Nothing wrong with that at all. 

 

People will buy what they desire. It doesn't change the fundamentals. Looking at the specs its difficult to see how that V6 would be more expensive? Is no slight towards the V6, its just that hand built forged engines built to take a lot of power aren't cheap,  no matter the cylinder configuration. 

[simonb]

one would have to assume that the Emira v6 will be the last ever manual lotus; which would not be a bad spin to get through the pile of toyota drive trains

[Wake]

Not sure if this has been posted before. Something that might sway what engine people go for:

 

”However, only the ‘First Edition’ range-topping cars will come with the old V6, with a new four-cylinder turbocharged engine joining the line-up and eventually replacing the V6 once those cars are sold.”

https://www.goodwood.com/grr/road/news/2021/7/this-is-the-all-new-lotus-emira/
 

It’s the first I have heard of it. But it might be fairly believable, clear out remaining V6 stock and parts. Then they can produce more performance orientated variants as the AMG unit can take more abuse?

[ramjet]

Would be interesting to know what the I4 (M139) engine sounds like?

Have read (I think on here somewhere) that the M139 sounds quite buzzy? I can also recall that Gavan Kershaw (I think) mentioned that the AMG engine would have a Lotus exhaust added to it (as well as other bits). I presume that they may fiddle about with the way it sounds, but ultimately it probably comes down to what rpm the engine runs at a lot of the time which may affect the way it sounds no matter what they do?

Just found a YT video of an A45. Let's hope that whatever Lotus did to make the V6 sound like it does vs the Camry, that they can do the same thing to the M139. My S4 sounds better.

[Speedluvver]

If you watch the carfection video on the a45s that give a good indication of what the m129 is like… it revs to 7500 which is higher than most modern 4’s. They told me at goodwood that they were working to make the i4 sound like a Lotus (not sure what that really means though)

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

Best sounding Lotus at the FOS was the ex Jackie Ickx Mark 2 Cortina. Presumably that still had its 1600cc 4 cylinder twin cam in it? Worst sounding was the Evija…

[Loquacious Lew]

On 14/07/2021 at 23:10, DarrylV8 said:

@Loquacious Lewyou certainly have a lot more than I, patience that is 

I didn't have much experience with Lotus when I decided to forego a C7 Grand Sport and buy a racing green Evora.   I had already ruled out a CaymanS, and the GT4 was out of production.   I went with the more expensive, supposedly slower and   less well equipped  Evora but it was the best drive of the cars I had on my radar, including any 911s I would be comfortable to budget for.  Then the 410s and 430s hit the UK market.  We only got ten 410s here and while they were nice in carbon fiber and, I think, have different shock mounts, I'd just taken delivery of my car.  I didn't see that much difference between our 410 and the 400 anyway.   By the time the GTs arrived here, I'd owned my car for well over 2 years and it was becoming an old friend.  I had shaken it out, had faith in it but it was still new, including the smell inside.  Yet again, I couldn't justify getting another new one of those even though I liked the GT trim better.  Like many,  I didn't see it worth taking the hit on my still fabulous-to-me car to get a GT that  in reality was not all that different. Would I trade my 400 a a GT?  Yes, in the right livery but not for $30K and not in the wrong tint. That's how  I regard the differences and the costs.  

The people who get the first Emira's will be as fine as I am in my 400. If all goes well for Lotus, I'm in when the "Emira GTs" are loosed.    Lotus will do all it can to make sure the very first cars are built to the highest standards they can manage since they can't afford to do otherwise.  The technologies are all proven.  There is nothing in the Emira that hasn't been tried before.  It should be ace.  The unique aspect is the combination of features, style  and high spirited capabilities  of the new  factory that makes the temporal placement of this car important measured against Lotus' new direction.   It adds even more appeal for many, I'm sure.  That is, it's the last of them.  But since it's not a limited production item, I'll score mine eventually. 

So it's not a quality thing or even a lack of desire that holds me back.  I just don't want to buy it twice out of animal instinct before the spec I want is released. The only problem is  if this first spec and trim  is the only  V6 spec, suggesting they don't provide us an opportunity on an improve trim variation.   Then  I'll have to consider buying one used or getting the hot I-4 trim.  Used would be ok though.  It's a Toyota.  

 

And that's how I talked myself out of buying this new hot car this week!  

[DarrylV8]

@Loquacious LewI wish I had your temperament I certainly don’t have your patience. 

[Loquacious Lew]

Patience is a mixed blessing because it comes with age. 

[mdavies]

On 15/07/2021 at 22:00, Wake said:

Not sure if this has been posted before. Something that might sway what engine people go for:

”However, only the ‘First Edition’ range-topping cars will come with the old V6, with a new four-cylinder turbocharged engine joining the line-up and eventually replacing the V6 once those cars are sold.”

https://www.goodwood.com/grr/road/news/2021/7/this-is-the-all-new-lotus-emira/

Has anyone explored that Goodwood FE/V6 statement? It may or may not be precisely Lotus's position.  Key point for me is whether there will be V6 cars subsequent to FEs, after the FE V6 model sales slow significantly - may not happen if not many price-conscious Emira buyers but I'd guess I'm not the only one.  A Base model V6 to one's own spec would certainly interest me.

Could be relevant that on another thread someone said that Toyota was now making the V6  motor only to supply Lotus - so possibly no fixed end.

Edited July 18, 2021 by mdavies

[Arregueti]

Matt Windle himself claimed Goodwood”s statement is incorrect in one of the Facebook groups.

[21gg]

Then someone questioned his source 🤣😂

[mdavies]

Thanks both.  Off v early tomorrow so must sign out now.

[Arregueti]

21 minutes ago, 21gg said:

Then someone questioned his source 🤣😂

Indeed. Funny to see that someone had to then clarify that HE was the source. 😂😂

[ramjet]

On 13/07/2021 at 21:50, Speedluvver said:

I spoke to one of the engineers at GFoS - although he didn't confirm M139, he said the engine will be tuned as a 'world car' - I am guessing the 360 means it can be sold everywhere. He did also say they were 'tuning' the torque, so I reckon it will still go like a stabbed rat anyway

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[DarrylV8]

Still not made decision between the V6 manual or AMG dct 

[MJON]

Engine aside I think it really depends on your personal preference on manual over a double clutch box. For me the manual box in my now departed Elise was great but a DC/PDK box is a whole different level. So easy choice 👍

[Mrandres6935]

I was called by my dealer I chose a DCT 4 cylinder AMG

im very happy with my choice hopefully it’s very fun to drive

[Evotion]

I agree. I still believe a DCT is more fun to drive and much better for daily driving/commuting.

If I was getting one car only though I would get the V6 Manual as I have a suspicion it will be the ONE that people desire over time and will offer the truer Lotus experience.