Evora market watch, for discussion and to help those searching!

[DaveC72]

Weirdly, if that was on an Esprit I'm pretty sure there would be a very different opinion.  Would I buy it?  No.  Do I like it? Hell yeah!

[stephenwhyte]

I’m with you Dave - I love it........just not sure I’d be brave enough to buy this one or spec it. Looks great in the Elise too!😎

[Barrykearley]

21 minutes ago, scotty435 said:

Not a Evora, but had to post it with the topic being blue interiors, a silver Cup 250 with the same blue interior, got to say I think it looks fantastic, reminds of my first a Lotus a 135R.

I’m just hoping and praying that no cookie monsters were harmed in the making of that interior 🤞

[Bruss]

50 minutes ago, scotty435 said:

Not a Evora, but had to post it with the topic being blue interiors, a silver Cup 250 with the same blue interior, got to say I think it looks fantastic, reminds of my first a Lotus a 135R.

 

That interior looks highlighted and balanced and more classy because of it. The Evora just looks too much.

[scotty435]

The blue interior belongs to this 250 Cup, a great match the silver and blue with blue decals to top it off and have to say though a bit of topic the new smaller end plates on the rear wing are a big improvement over the big in your face previous ones.

[C8RKH]

17 hours ago, Gashead1105 said:

Woah. That will still be for sale in a few months...

At a great price too!

 

14 hours ago, gregs24 said:

Love the way the plaque on the dash is on the piss

I don't think I have seen a straight one yet!

 

[Gashead1105]

1 minute ago, C8RKH said:

At a great price too!

 

I don't think I have seen a straight one yet!

 

I like it on the elise... 

105k. Coincidentally, I went to a ferrari dealer yesterday. Research purposes only of course. A 458 could be had for only a little bit more... 

Appreciate its the same old new v used choice 

[C8RKH]

54 minutes ago, Gashead1105 said:

I like it on the elise... 

105k. Coincidentally, I went to a ferrari dealer yesterday. Research purposes only of course. A 458 could be had for only a little bit more... 

Appreciate its the same old new v used choice 

Not in few months will it be £105k.  That will sell for £85k in 4 months or so. Why do i think that?  well, let's look at the Leven Ardent Red one (a very popular colour choice) that has been used a demo car and went from a list new price of £97k to being on the market for around £75k in under 6 months.

Good luck with the 458 - super looking cars and a great buy. Just don't ask about the running costs and the depreciation if you actually use it as opposed to just polishing and looking at it.

[Gashead1105]

458 is my medium term fantasy. I'm very very happy with the 400. 

[marcfair]

Still quite  a few Evora 400's hanging about at the £55 to £58K price mark, especially the ones at B & C.

 

[Techyd]

On 18/04/2019 at 09:34, C8RKH said:

Good luck with the 458 - super looking cars and a great buy. Just don't ask about the running costs and the depreciation if you actually use it as opposed to just polishing and looking at it

Yep you don't want to use a 458, like Porches they seem to be valued almost exclusively on mileage.  Well, that and service history, even though they don't get driven 🤣

 

19 minutes ago, marcfair said:

Still quite  a few Evora 400's hanging about at the £55 to £58K price mark, especially the ones at B & C

Yes, interesting that, I think the S1 prices are bolstering the 400s.  It seems to me that the 400's don't really have a direct competitor and so prices are wedging between its consider rivals (i.e. Cayman and 911).  Looks like its the 3 year old ones now coming on to the market - all of which are a great buy in my opinion when you consider the performance, quality, exclusivity (which is quite something at this price bracket really) and lastly of course the general awesomeness you get when driving a Lotus 🙂

 

 

[marcfair]

I noticed that the few sports racers are hanging around at £45K mark

I'd be interested to know if the £57K cars sell for much of a discount off the screen price. I'm wishing prices down at the moment as I'd like to pick up a 400 for less than £50K at the back end of next year but I think that will be wishfull thinking

[scotty435]

Just noticed this for sale and looks a really good price, yes high on miles, but looks in great condition and very well maintained.

 

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/lotus/evora/gorgeous-lotus-evora-122-v6-2-2------------------2011/9672875

[Gashead1105]

Anyone bought the blue interior'd 410 yet?!

[Techyd]

On 10/05/2019 at 14:57, scotty435 said:

Just noticed this for sale and looks a really good price, yes high on miles, but looks in great condition and very well maintained.

 

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/lotus/evora/gorgeous-lotus-evora-122-v6-2-2------------------2011/9672875

That looks like a great buy on the face of it, well worth a look for people in the market for one!

[cib24]

What is the consensus on the Evora build quality over time from 2015 to now? Is it generally better after a certain point in time? Looking to buy used so would like to be able to buy one with no niggles or issues that I would have to try to sort out.

Evora 400 vs 410 Sport vs the latest model GT410 Sport.

400 is about £30k cheaper than the GT410 Sport and I assume the advice here will be that the GT410 Sport as a used proposition is not a £30k better car. 

410 Sport is £5-10k more expensive than the 400 and I assume the advice here will be divided as to whether it is worth the premium to the 400, mostly for the carbon goodies and cooler wheels. 

The intention is to run this car as a weekend car, use it for some summer touring and also use it for a couple of track days. For track use I would look into a second set of wheels with something akin to Yokohama A048s, a EV4-435 remap, 2ubular track day compliant exhaust, potentially a downpipe/sport cat/header solution if I still want to throw money at it, and uprated discs/pads at some stage. 

What is the consensus on depreciation for these cars going forward? I assume because of the S1s that these won't be falling off a cliff any time soon. 

Edited May 22, 2019 by cib24

[DJW]

Ran a 2016 Evora 400 auto for approx 10 months and 6k miles. Had a few niggles that were sorted under warranty, but nothing that kept it off the roads.  From memory they were :-

• creaking Seats - revised seat base runners fitted 
• aiircon stuck on - new aircon unit fitted - front clam off job 
• Re alignment of rear hatch to stop rubbing of paint 

having driven the Sport 410 it’s a more track focused car than 400, from suspension to specifically the seats.  I loved the car although preferred the 400 seats.  That said if you are going to track it the buckets will be best.

Re values my old 400 is up for sale at Silverstone at £55k and 20k miles.  I bought it at 3k miles and 6 months old for £60k.  Silverstone sold it for same amount 10 months later with 9k miles  I think the rising price of newer models has kept prices high second hand, so minimal depreciation.  

A 410 Sport at £60k would seem sweet spot for you imho 

 

 

[Gashead1105]

I have an annoying rattle from somewhere up front, and some squeaking ARB bushes, but otherwise the thing has been awesome. Hoping these points get sorted next month under warranty. And even a 400 is bloody good on track, until you get black flagged for noise...

Just to say, from personal experience, the 2bular lightweight interim loudness track exhaust is still too loud for Snetterton which has a 92 DB limit on driveby - even with the cans (although the ones I have look to be earlier than the version he now offers). I need to give him a ring to see if there's anything that can be done further in this regard, but if you are planning to track the car reasonably frequently I would suggest you go for the quietest option he has at the outset.

[cib24]

Thanks for the replies. What is the scope for a custom remap on these cars? I see that Komotec offers one but the price is off-putting simply because it's a mail order tune and not necessarily optimised in the way it could be for a particular person's car. I would rather have the chance to get the car road mapped and finished on the dyno to make the most of the car's capabilities on our UK fuel, i.e. Shell V Power or Tesco 99. Is there something out there that can flash the ECU and allow anyone to custom tune the car? 

Just looking at the market I see the following that pique my interest, although I am more inclined to go for as late a car as possible, although prior to the exhaust valve switch being taken away:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/lotus/evora/lotus-evora-400--5-9-apr-finance-available-with-this-car/9512383

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/lotus/evora/lotus-evora-400--5-9-apr-finance-available-with-this-car-2017/9630490

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/lotus/evora/lotus-evora-sport-410/9463050

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/lotus/evora/lotus-evora-sport-410--5-9-apr-finance-available-with-this-car-2017/9217183

I imagine the last one, which has no stereo, is probably not the one to go for as the car wouldn't have the speaker wiring sort of sitting there behind the dash and in the doors to be able to put my own head unit and speakers in it? 

One other question. Checking parkers.co.uk it seems the road tax on these cars can differ a little bit. Minor point but how much is it actually?

[Gashead1105]

Personally, I don't like the seats in the 410 sport - they are mounted too upright. I wouldn't do anything to the mapping while it's in warranty but YMMV. I don't know if anyone other than Komotec offer anything and I believe the Lotus ECU hasn't been cracked properly, but I guess you can get it custom mapped, new ECU etc if you spend enough money.

Tax will depend on the year, remember that from March 17 it goes off list price rather than emissions. My 16 plate 400 is not in the top bracket emissions wise so it's c£300 per year to tax (every little helped when man mathing the change from a V6 exige, which was in the top bracket!).

I recall from previous discussions on other models that Lotus quite often include all the wiring, and sometimes even speakers,  where there isn't a radio fitted. You'd have to speak to B&C or go and look at the car to check. If you are keener on a 410, I strongly advise doing that anyway because of the seats.

[cib24]

Yes, I have read that the seats are too upright but I assume you can drill some holes in the seat brackets and angle them backwards a little for more comfort. 

Surprised there isn't a way to tap the ECU. If Komotec can remap the car then they have obviously been able to crack it so I would have thought there would be an OBD-2 flash tool or some software to do the same yourself. 

Wow, didn't realise the Lotus was potentially only £300 to tax. for some years and that backs up the confusion I'm seeing on parkers.co.uk. 

If the wiring is already there then it makes the job easier to choose my own headunit that is better than the factory system and also swap the speakers and sub for better stuff. 

[Bravo73]

4 hours ago, cib24 said:

Yes, I have read that the seats are too upright but I assume you can drill some holes in the seat brackets and angle them backwards a little for more comfort. 

Surprised there isn't a way to tap the ECU. If Komotec can remap the car then they have obviously been able to crack it so I would have thought there would be an OBD-2 flash tool or some software to do the same yourself. 

re the seats, it would be easier & quicker to buy these brackets: http://www.lotushardtops.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=90_91&product_id=183

(Jon is a 410 owner who posts on here). 

re the ECU, Lotus started encrypting their ECU code a few years ago. Komotec seem to be the only people who have bothered to crack the encryption. So, unfortunately, it isn’t really possible to livemap the OEM ECU in the UK. UK specialists will tend to offer a custom ECU instead. 

[Bruss]

17 minutes ago, Bravo73 said:

re the seats, it would be easier & quicker to buy these brackets: http://www.lotushardtops.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=90_91&product_id=183

(Jon is a 410 owner who posts on here). 

re the ECU, Lotus started encrypting their ECU code a few years ago. Komotec seem to be the only people who have bothered to crack the encryption. So, unfortunately, it isn’t really possible to livemap the OEM ECU in the UK. UK specialists will tend to offer a custom ECU instead. 

Apparently they don't fit the S1. NOT Fair!

 

 

 

[cib24]

43 minutes ago, Bravo73 said:

re the seats, it would be easier & quicker to buy these brackets: http://www.lotushardtops.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=90_91&product_id=183

(Jon is a 410 owner who posts on here). 

re the ECU, Lotus started encrypting their ECU code a few years ago. Komotec seem to be the only people who have bothered to crack the encryption. So, unfortunately, it isn’t really possible to livemap the OEM ECU in the UK. UK specialists will tend to offer a custom ECU instead. 

I guess that isn't the end of the world except for the cost of having to drive to them, pay for their labour rates to install the 475ps kit (since that is effectively what I would be after as part of the quiet it down process for track use), map it on their rolling road, etc. I wager that is about a £8,000 - £10,000 proposition when all is said and done to travel, stay at a hotel, pay labour rates and cost of parts for the upgrade. Extra cash towards a GT430 instead? 

Would be nice to be able to buy your own exhaust mods and get someone to tune the car in the UK and cut that proposition in half to c.£4,000 - £5,000.

[Gashead1105]

http://www.hangar111.com/shop/komo-tec-lotus-tuning/670-komo-tec-evora-400-phase-1-ev4-460.html

@Hangar 111 can do it in the UK, though your estimate is pretty spot one.  I  think there may be a FFM TLF discount...

Personally, and notwithstanding the fact that H111 have looked after all my lotus', I'd still put a 2bular exhaust and manifold on (sorry Dave) 

Edited May 23, 2019 by Bravo73