Engine removal S4

[Jphoenix]

Finally getting around to replacing the clutch (before it starts slipping or wearing into the flywheel). It’s been four years since I did the cam belt, so I figured, while I’m in there. 

Got all the fidddly bits removed except for the AC compressor and Power steering hoses. I can get access to the ac compressor better after I raise the engine up a bit, but I cannot even see where the PS hoses attach to the pump, much less get a wrench on them.

 

Any suggestions on where to access those fittings from? I can get to the coolant hoses in the front of the engine, been there last time I did the cam belt, but have not pulled the engine before, so this is taking some time while I figure things out. Got the roll pins out, wiring harness disconnected, etc.  but the PS pump is challenging me ☹️.

Exhaust manifold still installed, it looks like I can leave it on without any clearance problems?

 

 

Edited August 20, 2018 by Jphoenix

[ramjet]

When I did mine just recently, there was one that stayed on the PS pump and that I set again and tightened off the car before I put the pump back in (engine insitu). The other one I was able to get off. One pipe has a steel return which goes into the pump. You will not get it undone on the car at the pump. Follow the hose along and undo the next union which if I remember rightly is beside the chassis.

You should be able to lift the engine out then.

[Jphoenix13]

Thanks Ram, I'll dive back in this evening.

[Chillidoggy]

Or, if you have problems with that, you could unbolt the pump from its bracket, and swing it out of the way while you remove the engine.

[ramjet]

Yep. Could do that as well.  

[Jphoenix13]

Well too hot today to tackle the engine, so just cleaning parts and mopping coolant off the floor 😬 We're spoiled here in Seattle, 92 degrees is murderous!

Got lots of parts on order, new clutch kit, blue belt, idler bearing, gaskets and o-rings - just shy of $1000 worth of parts for the job - and JAE threw new roll pins in free - love those guys.

[silverfrost]

Good luck on the parts cleaning   Agree JAE have a great reputation 

[ramjet]

9 hours ago, Jphoenix13 said:

Well too hot today to tackle the engine, so just cleaning parts and mopping coolant off the floor 😬 We're spoiled here in Seattle, 92 degrees is murderous!

Got lots of parts on order, new clutch kit, blue belt, idler bearing, gaskets and o-rings - just shy of $1000 worth of parts for the job - and JAE threw new roll pins in free - love those guys.

That's only 33 degrees Celsius. That's not hot. Just ask @Kimbers. He loves it hot. (depending on which topic you read. ) 

[Kimbers]

I am hot!

[C8RKH]

14 minutes ago, Kimbers said:

I am hot!

[Jphoenix]

33 degrees just sounds better, I’m getting a thermometer that reads in C.

Decided to split the gearbox off and lift it out first, that was easy. Now I can lean the engine back a bit and have just a tiny bit more rom up front to disconnect stuff. Cooling off tomorrow, back to normal so I can wallow in the puddles of fluid on the floor in comfort while I drop tools on my face.

Boxes continue to arrive from the brown parcel trucks, wife is getting suspicious of my cost estimate - as always.

On 20/08/2018 at 21:46, Chillidoggy said:

Or, if you have problems with that, you could unbolt the pump from its bracket, and swing it out of the way while you remove the engine.

But then I would not have power steering fluid puddles to wallow in.

[Chillidoggy]

4 hours ago, Jphoenix said:

33 degrees just sounds better, I’m getting a thermometer that reads in C.

Decided to split the gearbox off and lift it out first, that was easy. Now I can lean the engine back a bit and have just a tiny bit more rom up front to disconnect stuff. Cooling off tomorrow, back to normal so I can wallow in the puddles of fluid on the floor in comfort while I drop tools on my face.

Boxes continue to arrive from the brown parcel trucks, wife is getting suspicious of my cost estimate - as always.

But then I would not have power steering fluid puddles to wallow in.

I hear what you're saying, Jim. You could always remove the fuel tank balance pipe, and wallow around in what appears to be about 5 gallons of petrol. That should spice things up a bit. Don't ask me how I know...……..

[Jphoenix]

Ah yes, and of course the last thing I did before pulling the engine is fill the fuel tanks. I’m sure fuel everywhere is my next clever move!

[Chillidoggy]

I swear that the Tardis was modeled on the Esprit fuel tank balance pipe.

[Barrykearley]

Siphon the tanks.

jack the one side up high - and pull off the pipe. Do not smoke a fag during any part of this process 

[Escape]

First check if there is a drain, on my SE there was one on the right tank. Or use the pump to pump the fuel in a jerrycan or such. Last time I only got a few drops when disconnecting the balance pipe. Most of it evaporated before I could wallow in it.

[Jphoenix13]

Box of goodies 🙂

Old clutch disc measures just at 5.9mm - on the limit. Engine coming out tomorrow, then valve adjustment starts. I'll be looking for cracked cam followers per Travis' recommendation some many threads and posts ago - only 53,500 miles on this car, so maybe they're OK.

Green dot pulley to match its friend already moved from the idler to the intake side. Slave cylinder rebuild kit-exactly same slave as my TR6: http://www.jimphoenix.com/triumph-tr6/

[Jphoenix13]

Engine came out this morning, I decided to remove the transaxle first, then engine. Got the PS hoses off no problem, AC compressor was a bitch because I didn't want to disconnect the hoses since the AC is putting out 34 degree air (F, ha ha, not C). All cleaned up, ready for parts replacement and valve adjustment.

 

 

[Jphoenix13]

[Jphoenix13]

Edited August 27, 2018 by Jphoenix13
Clarify posting is photos for the Chili Dog, not related to engine, just needed the photo attached to something to post in a message.

[mr.oogieboogie]

Make sure you change the spring. On the fork.

[Jphoenix13]

4 hours ago, mr.oogieboogie said:

Make sure you change the spring. On the fork.

The spring clip riveted to the fork?

[mr.oogieboogie]

Yep

[Jphoenix13]

Well, that was fun. Some things I learned while removing and replacing the gearbox and engine:

It's just too easy to change the cambelt with the engine out of the car. I set the belt tension to 100hz, the low end because I know the belt will whine when the engine is warmed to operating temp. Engine back in, engine running - belt whining! So, under the car I go and I'm getting good at the fine adjustment required to keep the whine out of the belt.

It's easy to bleed the clutch slave, but after wearing out my wife and endless hours of pressure bleeding, I gave up and took Atwell's advice - pushed the clutch pedal full down with a stick and left it overnight - works perfectly!

If you are going to do the belt, spend another $120 for the 104 green dot sprocket from JAE. I had one on the intake from the last cambelt change (robbed it off the oil pump shaft) but with the exhaust green dot installed, there is a noticeable difference in power. Very well spent bucks in my opinion.

A broken coolant level sensor will set all sorts of code 26, A&B, CEL etc. - and Freescan tells you it's everything under the sun - except the coolant sensor. Another $120 from JAE and it's back to normal. (Is everything $120 at JAE?)

Use the moist bread method to remove the spigot bearing - but tell your wife first why you need the bread because it's fun to watch her face and then the eye roll. Don't forget to tell her you invented it, just something you thought might work 😉

RTV Ultra Black on the roll pins - I was fearing them, but they went in OK - took quite a bit of hammer, surprised at first - but they went in and nary a drop leaks from the engine. Oh yeah, tighten the transaxle drain plug after you put it in finger tight - and before you fill the box. Duh. JAE threw the new roll pins in for free 🙂

The Redline MT90 that came out of the box after 4 years was almost as clear and pink as the stuff going in. I love that stuff.

Don't forget to buy some Dexron II for the power steering - had to make a special trip before I could start the engine.

Amazon same day is great when you lose the transaxle mount bolts - they were here faster than the time I spent looking for where the hell the originals went. They are not small bolts - but they are gone forever and I hope they are happy in their new lives somewhere.

Car runs great and the new clutch disc is notable as is the power between 2500 and 5000.  🙂

 

Edited September 7, 2018 by Jphoenix13

[CarBuff]

Since you took my clutch-bleeding advice, you owe me $120, don't you? 😉

 

Great result! 😁