MrBlueSky

Thanks for that explanation. I'd be very curious to know the numbers produced of each.

Yes indeed. I have a GT410 (non sport) and it is identical in spec to this, no carbon, rear glass, Michelin pilot sports, not cups, badged as only a GT410, etc and my V5 states it is a GT410 Sport. Interestingly on another thread I asked if anyone knew what the sales breakdown was between Sports and Non-sports, as everyone assumes the Sport is rarer,but nobody could answer. I suspect that a lot, possibly all, GT410's are registered as Sports, hence when an auto fill software is used referenced to the DVLA it will show all simply as GT410 Sport.

I'm £298 with Privilege on my 2020 GT410, limited to 6000 miles per year. Weirdly, last year it was £163 with them on same terms, which was substantially cheaper than all the other cars we insure, including the 20year old, 200k Espace. Couldn't for the life of me figure how a 1 year old Lotus could be cheaper than that.

I think in a round about way we are agreeing with each other. The Evora has so many variations even just on the 400/410 platform that it can be refined/ defined as either totally sports (eg Sport 410) or totally GT (eg Gt 410 with IPS). Hence my point that the Emira is, at the moment, purely GT, and not causing the marketing folk any headaches in how to position it but it is causing us existing Evora owners to question what we were looking for when we made our purchase. I personally went for the GT angle with a bog standard GT410, Phil Popham spec, so in theory I should be more of the target market for swapping up to an Emira.....but I know the little secret...hit the sport button and my boggo Popham spec is more than enough of a outright sports car for my Sunday blast or the odd track day. Hence not even been for a test drive in an Emira.

For me, this sums up the key STRENGTH & FAILURE of the Evora in terms of sales volume, a damn fine GT/Sports car. But which is it?? The sheer fact that several of you now have both an Evora and an Emira suggests that there is a clearer distinction, at least in your view. Evora analogue sports, Emira usable GT with comfort. If I was in the position to add another vehicle, I think my ultimate choice would be Elise/ Exige to tick the analogue sports box and an Alpine A110 as practical GT, although ironically it has less space than the Evora. So in summary, I think ironically the Evora covers too many bases in such an accomplished way that even the marketing folk couldn't figure out who was their target audience. The Emira doesn't suffer that problem. It's a 2 seat GT

My Evora was new in May'21 and no issues whatsoever in the first 3 years. Nearly at 14k. Servicing costs: 1000 mile - £83 1st Yr- £275 2nd Yr- £465 Due its 3rd year soon so will be interested to see what that is and if any warranty issues identified.

Just had my GT410 serviced at Craig Moncrieff in Edinburgh. Real pleasure to deal with and will certainly be using him from now on.

I'm with you on that. We've had our Espace for 15 years and it has been the best, most versatile piece of transport ever. I certainly didn't buy on looks, but its not offensive. Gave up trying to replace it because every car manufacturer decided to exit the MPV market and make over-styled and under-functional SUV's. Can't count the number of times friends with RR Sports or the like have been genuinely gobsmacked that our old Renault MPV is the better people/load carrier. So in summary, this looks like a very practical family vehicle to me.

Don't mean to hijack you're current boot problems but I had a major panic this weekend when mine (2021 GT410) wouldn't open regardless of the pulling pushing and massaging. Had closed it carefully with my daughters hockey bag inside, no slamming and no loose straps over the latch, (I've done that before and became very familiar with the emerging pull cable mechanism) Both the door switch and the key fob were working the solenoid and could hear it activate nicely. But the boot was fixed solid even when pressing and pulling. Them tried the pull cord. On first pull the cable moved as had expected it to, some slack then felt like it was about to open, then it just went solid. Really thought I was going to break something pulling so hard. My neighbour, a prestige car recovery guy who is an expert at opening McLaren's with flat batteries came to help. We pressed, pulled, activated, massaged for 15 minutes. Nothing. Finally he was using such force that the car rocked back and forwards, while was pulling the cord, and it popped open I took a photo of the culprit. A plastic tab on the end of one of the bag straps was sitting between latch and hammer. Perfect fit to slot in and somehow prevent both the solenoid and pull cord from activating the hammer. I think his rocking action must have made the bag roll forward slightly, just enough to release. In conclusion, beware of anything getting into the gap in the latch.

Hi Folks, I'd definitely be up for a breakfast meet up on a Sunday morning to get to know some of you. Not overly precious with the car but keen to avoid the salted roads, so that might start to rule out the next few months. David

Just got to say that looks fab, almost like the whole car is machined from a single ingot to the finest detail. Did northern Spain last year in the camper and thought it would make the ideal destination in my Evora.

"The "liberals" have walked us into a potential flashpoint re immigration (and no, I'm not a hard right ultra nationalist). Wishing you a speedy and full recovery." Yes they have and not just re immigration, and you certainly don't need to justify or qualify that your not a right wing nut to me. Thanks for message. Heading home today and will try best to relax with family and keep stress levels down on this rather ominous Friday 13th.

Anyone got any thoughts on how prepared our and EU government's are for widespread rioting or worse in every major EU city once a ground invasion starts. What percentage of our military has been despatched away to either Gaza or Ukraine

Sorry joining this thread late and just at the point in discussions where the complexity of the historical context throws us all down different rabbit holes of truth seeking such as the interesting paper above on returning refugees. This resonated, " On the contrary, they tried in vain to stop it. The old Israeli narrative is as wrong as the new Palestinian one, and the historical picture is far more complex." I don't know any of you personally so can only trust that you see my comments as an effort to understand. I feel like I've spent the last 2 years on a personal quest to try to understand all the crisis hitting us simultaneously. I'm also currently in hospital after a major life scare 4 days ago so perhaps a bit emotional. My point. My analysis is driving me to think that something very big is looming. Something Epic and world changing. ISIS and their unimaginable terror has been dispersed and Hamas now look very similar. Can any of us imagine having them attack and torture our families like that. There are so many factors playing here, How could IDF be so unprepared especially on that historical date. Timing surely eliminates any accord between Saudi and Israel- surely no coincidence. Biden (who surely must have a puppet master) is creating civil war back home and simultaneously pushing a proxy war in Ukraine. Both the US and EU have literally millions of young male migrants embedded in our cities awaiting processing. Its a bloody lit powderkeg and I have a very bad feeling.

Empire is one of my favourite colours, so subtle that it doesn't really show itself in these photos. Curious. Was it a deliberate choice to go the same colour or just the best car available for you. Very keen to hear how you think they compare over time and use.

I've always got the impression from discussions on here (TLF) that the GT410 Sport was the rarer of the two, but I do wonder now. Certainly looking at the GT cars that have come on the market in the last year or so, there appear to be very few non-Sports or Phil's spec as they are often called, coming up. Perhaps it's just a case that the owners are more than happy with the car and aren't selling. I would be very curious to know how the build numbers are split between Phil's Spec and Sport

Hi Relic222, I have the Gt410, non sport. It is a superb GT. Extremely comfortable on long journeys. Quiet, almost saloon esq with the exhaust switched off. Picked up my 14 Yr old and pal from school this afternoon and they fell asleep the whole way home. But, if you switch to sport and drive it, we'll it feels like a junior supercar. Perhaps a Sport would be faster around a circuit but I'm on the road 99% so it suits my expectations.

Yes, think that is the NI dealer car. It was a sad regular on Autotrader for years, certainly when I was looking to buy around May'21. Remember that the advert never changed throughout the whole time which I'm sure put off buyers, who started to think there must be something wrong with it. Such a waste sitting on a forecourt Deserves a good home.

Careful, nearly as many pics of the mistress Evora as your new wife. Looks like a perfect setting, congratulations.

The stand out comment there is.."I needed family friendly so went for an Integrale" You sir are a man of fine taste and excellent man maths. Sounds like I've been through a similar path with my v6 to you with the 5 Turbo 2 regarding usage. Things coming full circle for me too. The oldest refuses to get in the back of the Evora now.

Put like that, I see your point, but it is most definitely used without thought for mileage. Just to add some Lotus perspective to this thread, my second Lotus was an S1 Sport 160 bought from a dealer at 1year old with 18k on the clock, previous owner Lotus cars. I can't imagine that wasn't well exploited before I got it but that high mileage brought the price down to a point I could afford over a standard S1. Mechanically it was again faultless over the 20k I subsequently put on it. Regarding the 430 here, I think that might represent peak Evora spec for me. The Empire green is outstanding. My major concern would be the amount of times major items have been removed and refitted to make modifications. That can often "tell" on a car over time unless done meticulously.

Can honestly say I've never understood the concept of keeping any modern cars mileage down at such crazy low levels. In fact I think cars drive better after 10k. No mileage anxiety here. My '21 Evora 410, bought new, is now at 12K, used daily for even the mundane journeys. Part of the reason I went with the Evora was because of recognised reliability, and it has been 100%. In fact the gear change in particular has lost some of the tightness it's often criticised for and the engine is noticeably more free reving. My other "collectable" is a clio V6, bought at 6k and used regularly for 18 years, now with 55k. That probably makes me one of the lucky few in the country that has done decent mileage at the wheel. I find it funny when you listen to folk talking about their special edition GT being this or that compared to the competition but they've only driven it for 1000 miles. They are cars, not art, get them driven.

There are a couple of Emira's in/around our village and in the flesh I think they look really striking, but on first sight I immediately think I'm looking at Ferrari/lamborghinish. I definitely prefer the petite curves of the Evora.

Essex blue? Awesome.

Sorry to post this here but seeing that admin are very effective at directing correct use of the site, I'm wondering if they can do something about the numerous bad taste & neo porn adverts that keep flashing up in between section headers.