Coronavirus

[Bibs]

This is more your level mate, and a TLF'er

https://hifilounge.co.uk/

[mayevora]

34 minutes ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

3 months of what though! Watching paint dry?

If your not paying for it what does it matter?

Better than paying to watch paint dry 🙄

 

[Kimbers]

20 minutes ago, Dan E said:

I think there is going to be some massive sales going on in the next week or so! Companies are going to reduce their margins to next to nothing to try to get some cash through the door! Richer Sounds are now offering delivery. As I am on lock down I am going to be looking. 

Auction today of 100 cars through motobility on average were making £2000 a car behind book trade value.

I have just been and put down 30 commission bids on gold and silver items in a local auction. Every bid is a minimum of £10 behind lowest estimate, some further behind. Am hoping to win some due to no one turning up!

[Giniw]

1 hour ago, Bibs said:

I think Downing Street win this game of trumps mate. It may change in the future, but they've said that there are currently no plans to shut down London. 

The thing is, if they announce it too long before it is actually effective, people will flee London.
Same thing happened in Italy.
Our stupid government didn't learn the lesson from them and announced the French lock-down the day before at 20pm (lockdown the day after at 12AM), and so the Parisians fled Paris by train using crowded railway stations and trains ... x_x (although the gov spokewoman had told even a bit earlier in the afternoon that it was fake news, but she loves to lie anyway so it doesn't really count! ^^')

 

As for the lethal rate of people under their 50s, yes it seems it's much lower than the elders, but that doesn't mean they cannot be badly sick, that means they finally recover (possibly following 6 months respiratory physiotherapy & so on.
But in the meantime they will overflow the hospitals too and there is no artificial respiratory system for everyone, so better keep them for the elderly.

Edited March 19, 2020 by Giniw

[Dan E]

@Vipers ? I drool at all that stuff all the time & his Westfield XI 

I should probably be worrying about wages and mortgage payments, but that is boring!
 

in all seriousness this is going to devastate businesses, we will be ok for a while but I not talking 6 months without some major reductions in overhead. I will find out the end of the Month as I can see the companies we work for are going to holding on to their cash, so invoices won’t be paid and then all the cash flow predictions will be out the window! Scary, scary times. 
 

The Govenment who I think are trying their best but have so much to deal with so quickly should somehow, force/help/cover SME’s outstanding invoices, I am not that clever but their has to be a way. Just thank you’re lucky stars Corbyn didn’t get in because this would look a whole lot worse! 

[Bibs]

Some Late Payment of Commercial Debt invoices will soon get them popping cash in your direction mate, they have to pay their bills. There's some talk of hanging onto your VAT for a while and deferring corp tax bills too, I'd like to think that will be a good idea they'll follow through on. 

In other news - https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/mclaren-nissan-ventilators-nhs/

[Dan E]

5 minutes ago, Kimbers said:

Auction today of 100 cars through motobility on average were making £2000 a car behind book trade value.

I have just been and put down 30 commission bids on gold and silver items in a local auction. Every bid is a minimum of £10 behind lowest estimate, some further behind. Am hoping to win some due to no one turning up!

@Kimbers behind book trade!! Have you ever seen that before? We’re the bids accepted? I am guessing yes, everyone needs cash, we are currently doing a really small job there is literally nothing in it but we eat cash so we need some through the door and soon! It might be a case of shut up shop, take a mortgage holiday ( which I will be really fucked off if that affects my credit rating) sit at home and drink Gin if this goes on for more than say 3 months! 

[Kimbers]

Dan, renting cars at 50p a day from airport sites............maybe, just maybe it's effecting my trade as well.

[Dan E]

6 minutes ago, Bibs said:

Some Late Payment of Commercial Debt invoices will soon get them popping cash in your direction mate, they have to pay their bills. There's some talk of hanging onto your VAT for a while and deferring corp tax bills too, I'd like to think that will be a good idea they'll follow through on. 

In other news - https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/mclaren-nissan-ventilators-nhs/

Now that would help deferring VAT and Corp or even allow you to spread Corp over 12 Months from due date. Where did you read the late payment thing? That will work if they have cash if they don’t then Boris will need to step in and soon. 

1 minute ago, Kimbers said:

Dan, renting cars at 50p a day from airport sites............maybe, just maybe it's effecting my trade as well.

Is that really true, so cancel all car insurance, SORN  everything and hire a car! Jaysus that is unbelievable 

[Kimbers]

Our sites need cash flow. Just checked and cheapest is £3 a day..........still that may change

[C8RKH]

25 minutes ago, Giniw said:

but that doesn't mean they cannot be badly sick, that means they finally recover (possibly following 6 months respiratory physiotherapy & so on.

But this is in direct contradiction to what the WHO are saying, and medical experts in China, Italy etc. They are saying that those under 50 will get the disease but in the vast majority of cases, where there are no long term or underlying existing medical issues, then people will not have severe symptoms.  I do think a lot of people are focusing on the smaller numbers of deaths and critical people, as opposed to focusing on the fact that the vast majority of people, who are healthy, under 60, will not be severely impacted. What is it about us humans that always focuses more on the negative, the fear, in the news than the positive?

[Giniw]

20 minutes ago, C8RKH said:

They are saying that those under 50 will get the disease but in the vast majority of cases, where there are no long term or underlying existing medical issues, then people will not have severe symptoms.

Yes indeed, the question is what is the vast majority? 70% or even 80% is a vast majority but 30% to 20% of a severe condition is still huge. I have not found any data of the severe conditions repartitions, only the usual graphs of the death repartition by age class. Do you happen to have any data on this?

Edited March 19, 2020 by Giniw

[C8RKH]

I read 90%+ in the younger age group. So the vast majority.

 

 

worldometer website reported the following mortality rates for all positive tests in China up to and including February. OK it’s not the latest data but gives a good indication of what is happening.

80+ Years old 14.8% (one published paper put this at 21.9% for laboratory confirmed cases)

70-79 8.0%

60-69 3.6%

50-59 1.3%

40-49 0.4%

10-39 0.2%

0-9 no deaths 

[Mysterae]

For all of you working from home in these times, some help:

This would explain the run on toilet paper!

[PaulCP]

[Bibs]

1 hour ago, Dan E said:

Where did you read the late payment thing?

https://www.gov.uk/late-commercial-payments-interest-debt-recovery/charging-interest-commercial-debt

Been around for a long time. You can charge 8% interest over the base rate, makes it much more attractive to pay you than keep getting another one of these each month. 

[scotty435]

You tell them 👍

 

[Alfa2Evora]

I tried working from home today. It was a bit of a tight squeeze getting everything in but I think I just about managed it,   .

[Giniw]

Oo LOL

 

1 hour ago, C8RKH said:

I read 90%+ in the younger age group. So the vast majority.

Thanks!
Vast indeed but 10%- of say 0-50 yo is still a lot of people, and that would need to be multiplied by the actual number of people in this age range compared to the elders (not too sure about the pyramid age shape in the UK for instance ^^).

As for the mortality rates yes I already had about the same data (although it's a bit unknown in France for instance as only the severe cases are now tested apparently so the asymptomatic people would tend to lower those rates)

I suspect it has already been posted here but there is this interesting page with a lot of explanations and data which is worth reading: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

 

 

Edited March 19, 2020 by Giniw

[C8RKH]

The actual figure for under 50 will actually be around 98%. 

UK like most of northern Europe has an ageing population demographic so yes, a lot of older people are going to die.  However in 9 months our demographic will undergo a huge rate of change when we experience the biggest baby boom we have ever seen. That will also be inline with the biggest divorce rate we have ever seen. The biggest number of suicides we have ever seen. And the biggest rise in substance abuse we have ever seen.

We really are a piece of fooking work, the human race. We should be called the Human Virus....

[Bibs]

#MatrixEpisode1

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

8 minutes ago, C8RKH said:

We really are a piece of fooking work, the human race. We should be called the Human Virus....

My boss was talking to a bloke in Germany a while back. Serious guy with a good job. In his opinion the earth wants the human species gone, for all the damage we cause. He was seriously advocating expanding the nuclear power industry so that we increase the chances of a major nuclear accident to help wipe us all out. Maybe Nature doesn’t want to wait that long?

Anyway it’s all good news for the polar bears and ice caps. Planes grounded, factories closed, cars parked...

[Jacques]

referring to the unfortunate truck/house get together above.

yeah and the driver of that truck had his or her usual pint or two, before "getting on" with the job...

Let's hope the home office wasn't at first floor, on the corner.

Or if, so, at least one could call the boss and say "Sorry sir, I am a bit late today, I got carried away".

Cheers,

Jacques

[pete]

3 minutes ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

My boss was talking to a bloke in Germany a while back. Serious guy with a good job. In his opinion the earth wants the human species gone, for all the damage we cause. He was seriously advocating expanding the nuclear power industry so that we increase the chances of a major nuclear accident to help wipe us all out. Maybe Nature doesn’t want to wait that long?

Anyway it’s all good news for the polar bears and ice caps. Planes grounded, factories closed, cars parked...

And for Greta

[Jeff D]

Interesting propoganda coming out of China and how this is being used in the West by the MSM ...