Is electric really the answer?

[ramjet]

I wonder what using ultra-silly mode in a Tesla does to the range then? As well as long term battery life due to the very high load that is put on the batteries so quickly?

[Rambo]

Hot off the press yesterday ..... 🤔

"New plans to allow electric cars to drive in both directions on one-way streets are set to become a reality in the UK. The move, which is being introduced to encourage electric car uptake, has the potential to significantly shorten journeys for drivers"

[jonwat]

Yesterday was April 1st 

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

Just done an MPG exercise on my Passat Estate GTE PHEV. Knowing that I was due to undertake some long trips with the family of four and a boot packed full of luggage etc., I have just done 757 miles at a brim-to-brim average of exactly 50mpg. That included single trips of 277 miles, 271 miles, 127 miles and 66 miles, so only benefitting from a full battery at the start of each leg. That only left 16 miles of short journey battery only driving. To be fair 50mpg seems pretty impressive to me for a decent sized fully laden estate car over a combination of motorway, A and B roads. 

[C8RKH]

I often get 48mpg in my E class cabriolet on runs, and that's a big, heavy, car. I am just not convinced by the arguments for cars that are needed to do long journeys based on what many owners are saying.

[yeller77]

This is about the only electric Lotus I'd have an interest in.. 🤔

Electric Lotus-land

[Kimbers]

17 hours ago, C8RKH said:

I often get 48mpg in my E class cabriolet on runs, and that's a big, heavy, car. I am just not convinced by the arguments for cars that are needed to do long journeys based on what many owners are saying.

My Sportage PHEV was handed back to the Garage at 7644 miles. My average, including long trips where I couldn't run it purely on Electric, was 127MPG. Sorry to say @LotusLeftLotusRight Don't buy a German car they just aren't as good

[ramjet]

On 02/04/2023 at 19:37, Rambo said:

Hot off the press yesterday ..... 🤔

"New plans to allow electric cars to drive in both directions on one-way streets are set to become a reality in the UK. The move, which is being introduced to encourage electric car uptake, has the potential to significantly shorten journeys for drivers"

You'd have to hope it was an April Fools joke.

I can imagine some electric car driver going in the non-gazetted direction (can't say the wrong way) and a petrol car going in the gazetted direction.

Would we expect the entitled(?) electric car driver to give way to the petrol car going in the gazetted direction? What would the rule be?

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

@Kimbers Yeah but you’re paying £174 per month (= £2088 per annum) more for your electricity than me! That’s equivalent to about 116 litres (25.5 gallons) of petrol per month, or 1275 miles per month (15300 miles per year) at my 50mpg. I only do about 6000 miles per year in that car.

[exeterjeep]

Been in to see how far our RR is down/up on the build queue, had a chat about EV's, was told the whole group (they are a big group) will not accept a Tesla in p/ex.

Also looked at the list of things that you can order on your new car that will stop it being built as the chip shortage is still serious, a very very long list of options. 

[Bibs]

I'm sure I read recently that there's a new RR PHEV that comes in at over 3 tonnes!! 

[Kimbers]

2 hours ago, exeterjeep said:

Been in to see how far our RR is down/up on the build queue, had a chat about EV's, was told the whole group (they are a big group) will not accept a Tesla in p/ex.

Also looked at the list of things that you can order on your new car that will stop it being built as the chip shortage is still serious, a very very long list of options. 

Mate, you can't give away Tesla's right now. I was watching a disposal auction from one of our competitors and he had 3 Teslas in the auction. 2 didn't get a single bid even at half their value and one had a bid of £15,000 behind its Trade price. We have a similar issue with a load of Polestars we bought. We have had to rerent them indefinately. Hopefully they will owe us nothing in about 10 years and we can scrap them!

[ChrisJ]

1 hour ago, Kimbers said:

Hopefully they will owe us nothing in about 10 years and we can scrap them!

Not very eco-friendly

 

[Kimbers]

1 minute ago, ChrisJ said:

Not very eco-friendly

 

No. Infact Electric cars are substantially less Eco Friendly at end of life than the evil Combustion engine models!

[internets]

 

[C8RKH]

When we were arguing the pros and cons 3 years where were all the naysayers? I was battling the fan boys head on and most of this debacle was predicted, only for the Tesla fanatics to just keep pushing back on how everything was great in an electric world, looking past the build quality issues etc.

This whole EV thing has been handled like a scam.

[Rambo]

Called into Trowell services today for a quick pit stop. Huge queues waiting for the e-chargers. What a disaster 🤣

No one at the E5 pumps 👍

[ramjet]

Since it is such a known fact about their end-of-life nastiness, why are they being touted as the saviour of the planet?

The makers know this as well. I just can't understand why they are going to persevere with them at the expense of ICE?

[Bibs]

Because the authorities tell them too via regulations. 

The same authorities that tout reneweables like turbine blades that go to landfill, solar farms that cover farmers fields and a grid which can't handle their output etc.

I'm not in the tin foil hat brigade but someone, somewhere gets very wealthy from these kind of decisions and it isn't us! 

[exeterjeep]

Spotted this about what your Tesla can see all sorts of odd things, lets hope that this is not incorporated in the average EV and certainly not the Lotus ones. Big brother strikes again.

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/tesla-staff-shared-sensitive-material-recorded-by-cameras-in-customers-cars-special-report/282450

part says...

Two ex-workers said that they were sometimes asked to look at images of customers in and around their homes, including in garages, during their normal course of work as data labellers.

This was while Tesla worked on its Autopilot system to stop cars’ confusion over objects such as garden hoses and shadows while backing out of garages.

One ex-employee was quoted as saying: ‘I sometimes wondered if these people know that we’re seeing that.’

Another said: ‘I saw some scandalous stuff sometimes, you know, like I did see scenes of intimacy, but not nudity.

 

 

[jonwat]

Petrol car prices are about to collapse

And

Used electric car prices plunge

Edited April 8, 2023 by jonwat

[exeterjeep]

Went into another group outlet dealer today, don't think they want a Tesla in p/ex either.

[jonwat]

Heavy batteries in electric vehicles could put multistorey car parks at risk of collapse, according to experts.

Chris Whapples, a structural engineer and parking consultant, said that there was “definitely potential” for older car parks “in poor condition to collapse”.

Electric vehicle batteries weigh about 500kg, meaning that electric cars tend to weigh significantly more than the equivalent petrol or diesel car. For example, the electric version of the Peugeot 208 weighs 1,530kg, compared with 1,153kg for the petrol engine version. The Volkswagen ID.3 weighs an average 1,830kg, compared with the Volkswagen Golf, which weighs 1,388kg.

 

 

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

Their occupants are also getting heavier…

[Bibs]

You'd have thought they'd be a slight margin built into these car parks!