Brexit

[Barrykearley]

[Jacques]

Thank you to the UK voters.

Now, I am pro for working together and having a level of fairtrade etc.

But I will never vote for an institution which resembles a one World government, thich is undemocatic and way above the humans.

Problems to come? well, yes, in any case. Let's take it nice and easy now.

Would I like to see a vote here in Denmark? yes.

Cheers,

Jacques.

[ChrisJ]

Cameron has just announced he is standing down.

I thought that was a fine speech.

Right - off to work!

[Barrykearley]

Yeah and he is leaving triggering article 50 to the next guy......um democratic will?  Coward!

[LF1]

I am wondering if that is a clever move by him for the good of all. This avoids knee jerk reactions by forcing a delay, probably for a year when you consider a new leader should call for an election before having authority to negotiate. 

[johnpwalsh]

So, will this be another election or simply a reshuffle with the party. I recon as mentioned it's a stalling tactic prior to signing article 50. It will give them time to select what they think is best for the UK. With the emphasis on, they think

[Vanya]

Am I the only one who thinks they will stall on Article 50, kick the can down the road and pour millions into a new propaganda campaign to convince the populace to vote "the right way" ahead of a new referendum? 

[NedaSay]

Well I hope for your guys that the market bounces back up... It should make for cheap UK products which is a was is good for Lotus so there's that.

[march]

Wow - really surprised. I suspect it's going to get interesting now.

[johnpwalsh]

Farage has just been questioned on the news. He now says the 350 million will not go to the NHS and the previous promise was a mistake. He has been asked if there were anymore mistakes made in their pre vote promises. He cant answer. MORE BLOODY LIES BY POLITICIANS.

[Chillidoggy]

Conversely, German motor cars will be shockingly expensive.

Shame.

[march]

The best thing that can happen now is Farage disappearing quietly from politics - somehow I doubt it (bad penny springs to mind). ANyway I don't see that he is in any position to make promises about UK spending - he's not even an MP.

[franjipane]

Wow.

So no £350 million per week for the NHS after all.  Who would have thought it.

And £350 BILLION lost from the UK economy, equivalent to 40 years of EU membership.

Well done England.

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

Is anyone really surprised at this? The last time we asked the Great British Public to vote on anything we ended up with "Boaty McBoatface".

This decision is equally non-sensical. I genuinely fear for my kids' future in this now isolated and xenophobic country. 

 

[march]

14 minutes ago, franjipane said:

And £350 BILLION lost from the UK economy, equivalent to 40 years of EU membership.

Well done England.

Oh come on - The current situation is a knee jerk reaction by the markets that will correct itself over the coming weeks to some degree or other. Before we start making any statements like this we need matters to settle down a bit (not saying it will fully recover in the immediate future, just don't know), Stirling is already recovering to some degree or other. At the moment it is a matter of keeping heads down and trying not to talk ourselves into a recession or such like.

[Kimbers]

We won't be alone for long, apart from our historic trading partners, the EU is about to fall apart:

France, Holland and Italy all demand a referendum and Sweden and Denmark are talking about it. Lets get back to what Europe always was meant to be, Sovereign states joined by free trade only.

[franjipane]

Hope you're right March, but with Scotland likely to go independent, possibly followed by the Irish, more control handed to the right, and high-earners and more manufacturing moving to more attractive economies it is a bit of a concern.

I say this from the perspective of someone who does a fair bit of work for clients abroad, and right now that makes me a cheaper alternative.

Not just trade Kimbers, but peace too! Don't forget that was the primary reason for the EU!  (not that i'm implying ww3 or anything!)

[oilmagnet477]

Kimbers - totally agree - they all get the 'get out of jail free' card as the UK will now and forever get the blame for the break up of the EU.

Long term, I think a 1970s ish trading 'league' may emerge without all the attached unelected bureaucracy and cost. It won't be easy!

Although the vote was reasonably close, I wonder just how many 'remain' voters, like me, only voted remain to keep things stable and didn't want to rock the boat.

Now we have been given an opportunity to take on the 'EU machine', we could be in for interesting times.

[andydclements]

Kimbers, some of the EU could (if it wished) exit the EU about as easily as we are about to (when I refer to easy, I'm thinking along the lines of how easy it is to remove an Esprit heater matrix whilst wearing boxing gloves), but others will find it much more difficult as they are part of the common currency, so they'd have a double-exit to achieve.

 

 

MarcH

I think my view of Nigel is fairly obvious by a previous post (if not, then lets just say, it's about time he took a selfie while at the top of the cliffs of Dover, in the dark...) and so agree about him disappearing from politics but there is a quote that he goes quite some way to prove correct, so he has a purpose:- In politics, stupidity is not a handicap

[USAndretti42]

What happened to all the ballot papers being rubbed out and new crosses put in the remain box?

Anyway, while I voted to remain, I am in the minority and have to graciously accept that we are leaving.  I think Cameron did the right thing in resigning.  How could he be seen as being responsible for negotiating the terms of our departure when he had been so keen to not leave in the first place?  I don't think he will do a Farrage and withdraw his resignation a few weeks later.  The Labour party are a bit stuffed as their position was to support staying in.  I see that some Labour MPs are already calling for Corbyn to resign but I suspect that's an excuse.

I do now expect the funding crisis of the NHS to be solved, VAT on fuel to be removed and all, non-skilled immigrants to be barred by the end of 2018 as promised by the Leave campaign.  I expect more strongly to be disappointed on all, 3 items.

Happily for me, I will get a US pension so a low pound will be good for me.  My son-in-law, on the other hand, received an email from his bosses at the law firm where he works that they must expect tough times ahead so he and my daughter think their plans to buy a house next year will have to be put on hold.  I wonder how many companies will use this result as an excuse to freeze or cut wages and staff numbers.

[C8RKH]

2 hours ago, franjipane said:

Hope you're right March, but with Scotland likely to go independent, possibly followed by the Irish, more control handed to the right, and high-earners and more manufacturing moving to more attractive economies it is a bit of a concern.

I say this from the perspective of someone who does a fair bit of work for clients abroad, and right now that makes me a cheaper alternative.

Not just trade Kimbers, but peace too! Don't forget that was the primary reason for the EU!  (not that i'm implying ww3 or anything!)

Hahahahahaha - let the £ fall, it makes our products cheaper and so it will be MORE attractive for manufacturers to be here.  BMW will be able to sell more mini's at a better profit margin. Win: Win.  

It's people like you and the Journo's who WILL talk us into a recession.  Yikes, the stock market bombed, last time I looked the FTSE was already back over 6k and, if we cast our little minds back not very long ago - 6K was the magic glass ceiling we had been trying to break through for ages. Wow, talk about glass half full you lot, full of bloody negativity before the vote and full of bloody negativity after it.

And as per your later post, Sturgeon is saying she wants the right for a new Indyref, but she will not say when and is reserving the right to choose, or not to choose, when to have one based on what suits her. But then as it is not in her gift anyway to call one, and the MPs in Westminster have a big clusterfluke to deal with right now anyone with Brexit, I cannot it see it being high on the agenda.  Don't forget that the EU vote was not a English, Scottish, Welsh etc. vote. It was United Kingdom vote as whole entity and as such the whole entity has voted and deomcracy dictates the victor takes the spoils and the losers just get on with it. Either way, her response is hardly a bloody rush to get out of the car before the crash is it?  And lett's just think about it - last time Indyref was all about Oil and keeping the pound. Well, the oil has tanked and do you really think a UK outside of the EU, let alone the Eurozone, will share it's currency with country inside the Eurozone? Scotland will be made to commit to the Euro and will be made to commit to Shengen. This is a whole and hugely different referendum outcome and set of conditions to the last one and the result will be far from easy to predict. If she pulls the trigger and loses a second Indyref in 2 or 3 refs, then she is finished and to be honest the who, nationalist cause is finished.  The whole landscape of UK politics, and European politics has changed overnight. Whether it is for the good, or the bad, will take some considerable time to work out, and NOT just a couple of hours whilst greedy bastard speculators in FS bet on wild swings this way or that on currency and stocks. There are people who are literally making billions of pounds, Euro's, Yen, Dollars in profit and gains today. Calm down and have a cuppa before you talk us into a recession lad.

[Kimbers]

2 hours ago, franjipane said:

Hope you're right March, but with Scotland likely to go independent, possibly followed by the Irish, more control handed to the right, and high-earners and more manufacturing moving to more attractive economies it is a bit of a concern.

I say this from the perspective of someone who does a fair bit of work for clients abroad, and right now that makes me a cheaper alternative.

Not just trade Kimbers, but peace too! Don't forget that was the primary reason for the EU!  (not that i'm implying ww3 or anything!)

Mate,

Peace was never their primary goal. Our peace is down to Nato and the UN. The EU has nothing to do with it IMHO.

[franjipane]

Says it right here mate!

http://europa.eu/about-eu/eu-history/1945-1959/index_en.htm

And C8RKH so you would rather i didn't discuss concerns about the economy because you think it might contribute to a recession?  hmmm.

[comem47]

So I hear Scotland was universally for staying and who walks into the fray just after the vote to stir the shit but the Donald (being contrary to the locals position). 

It's the UK's business on the vote , but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE find a reason to permanently detain him in a moldy dungeon. We'll pay you.

[C8RKH]

6 hours ago, DaveyT said:

So, when Scotland vote to leave the UK in favour of the EU, where will the border run? (As is likely to be reinstated for Ireland)

Passports to get into Scotland? 

Depends on what you think the conditions for Scotland will be to ascede into the EU given that they are currently NOT a member, the UK is, and that all bets are off on UK concessions.

So, highly unlikely in the current situation that a UK outside of the EU will share a currency with a Scotland inside the EU, so, No Mrs SNP you cannae keep the pound as the EU will not let you
 

Highly unlikely that Scotland will accede without having to accept full freedom of movement and will likely be forced to accept Shengan -as the Eu will see this as another way to punish rUK for leaving. So a border of some sorts will exist between Scotland and the rUK -think about it, if not, people will travel to Edinburgh and Glasgow under EU free movement then just get the train down to rUK - defeating the object of BREXIT for regaining border controls. A passport, maybe not, an identity check of some sorts, a highly likely possibility

But then this is assuming that the Indyref2 goes the way of Independence from the rUK - those two points above were huge considerations last time, there was some ambiguity around them, this time, there will be no ambiguity so even harder for some Scots to swallow as their biggest trading partner by some way, rUK will feel much more distant and you will swapping, very clearly, Westminster for Brussels - i.e. may sound like an independent country but you will, more than last times Indyref outcome, be more beholden to Brussels for fiscal policy and laws than they are currently to Westminster. So I would argue, Independence.What Independence?

It will feel like a much more final separation for the decision I would argue is still very much in the balance. Please though anyone, tell me if you think I am way off here.