Formula One

[Chillidoggy]

It’s think it’s just the usual hot air.

[jonwat]

London Grand Prix: F1 given 'green light' 😃

[Chillidoggy]

And the track is inside the ULEZ charging zone, too. 

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

I remember taking a trip to London to see that F1 demonstration event on Regent Street back in 2004. It was after work and utterly rammed with people. You could barely see a thing. Sounded great though!

[89esprit]

Would be pretty cool to see and at least it goes through the city streets more or less... not like that abomination that they will be having in Miami.

Somehow racing around a football stadium parking lot like a weekend 'gymkhana' just doesn't appeal to me. When I heard them talk about a race in Miami, I kind of pictured a course zipping by South Beach not the"Food Court" at a football stadium parking lot...  Very disappointing. Especially when you think of how great it would be to race at Watkins Glen again.  Classic Formula 1 course with a great history.

 

[pete]

Hamilton is disqualified and starts at the back for the sprint race. Could be worth watching especially if he is angry about the disqualification

[exeterjeep]

So it is up to Bottas to take Max off or at least put up a more of a fight.

[exeterjeep]

Great effort from Lewis last to 5th. So starts 10th for the proper race, still hope Bottas does what is required tomorrow.

[PaulCP]

Seems a harsh penalty on Hamilton when you read the stewards’ report.

They have accepted that the design met the regulations and hence that there was no intent by Mercedes to breach the rules. They also stated that the gap was only wider than the regulations on one edge of the gap in the wing and that they accept that it was a DRS part malfunction.

Also confirmed that Red Bull did make the complaint to the stewards and Verstappen gets fined the change in his back pocket for knowingly breaching regulations and examining a rivals car. 
If constant whinging by that baby Horner and spoilt brat Verstappen is the only way they can beat Hamilton and Mercedes that whatever title they win is meaningless to everyone else!

 

[PAR]

I respectfully disagree. I have  never been a fan of red bull, Horner and Verstappen but I am just fed up with the perpetual BS of Mercedes, Wolff and Hamilton despite their admirable talent.

Vettel got disqualified for a malfunction of his engine management so he didn’t have enough fuel for the control. Also Wolff claims it was only in breach by 0.2mm but that it was visibly malfunctioning. Come on, if it was 0.2mm would all people see it with the naked eye?

They always talk so much, making up stuffs to say how they are the minnows, how they have ni chance to win, the tires are shot etc but they just don’t walk the walk. Rules are rules and if they applied to themselves the standards they keep asking on others, they would just shut up and race.

Car was not conform, how can they expect any other decision??? This was not an accident but most likely a mistake in the assembly.

The only reason Hamilton is still in the run for the title is because he threw Verstapppen in the wall at silverstone. Even if it was an accident, they should not forget that.

Edited November 14, 2021 by PAR

[Chillidoggy]

As far as I'm aware, the technical infringement is absolute. It either passes scrutiny, or it doesn't.

If the roles were reversed, Toto Wolff would have been bleating down the phone to the FIA immediately. 

[exeterjeep]

Seen this just now...on f/b

[PaulCP]

@PARyou can of course respectfully disagree, just as I can respectfully disagree with you 😛

If you’re fed up with the Mercedes BS then you must also be fed up with the RB BS. Horner in particular, in his obvious desperation to beat Mercedes, has managed to whinge this season more than the rest of the team principals put together.

You did also miss the point about Verstappen being fined the change in his back pocket for knowingly breaching regulations and examining a rivals car.

Yes rules are rules, but the level of punishment to a driver for a car’s technical infringement resulting from a malfunction v a driver knowingly breaching the rules by closely examining a rivals car seem quite dis-proportionate. The big question is should a driver be penalised for what was accepted by the stewards to be an unwitting technical infringement of the rules or should the team be fined or deducted points. Maybe the rules need to change.

So we both “respectfully” (god I hate that word!) disagree but let’s also not forget Verstappen’s long history of throwing opponents in to the wall when commenting on the one time it happens to him.

[exeterjeep]

Driving lessons for Max anyone, job opportunities for race stewards?

[scotty435]

What a fantastic weekend we have just witnessed for F1 and in for particular for Lewis Hamilton, yes he his not everyone’s favourite for what ever reason usually the wrong one. What he achieved this weekend was a true masterclass in driving ability. One of the most epic comebacks you will ever witness.

[910Esprit]

There needs to be a stewards enquiry into the stewards.   But what a drive.

[exeterjeep]

30 minutes ago, scotty435 said:

What he achieved this weekend was a true masterclass in driving ability

Commentators were almost saying it was not worth him turning up,  but all those places made up in both races and to finish 10 secs ahead of Max. Shame Bottas could not do a better job.

[scotty435]

Yes 25 places made up over the weekend, love him or hate him there can be argument it was a drive of a champion and yes probably it cements he is the best ever 🤷the the history of F1

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

Yes bizarre that there wasn’t even an investigation into the first attempted overtake by Hamilton. What are the stewards there for? Verstappen is passed, then brakes too late for the corner and runs way off the track taking Hamilton with him and returns to the track without even having to give up the place. Then for the second attempt Verstappen gets a black and white flag for zigzagging on the straight. Just a bit desperate and unnecessary.

[jimichanga]

Hamilton’s ability is not in question but this weekend wasn’t just down to his talent, his car was the fastest through the speed trap by some way at 339kmh to Max’s 317kmh, Red Bull had no chance other than hoping his tyres would cook in the dirty air. Neither did anyone else. It was pretty obvious in the sprint race that he had the pace to win the main race. What he deserves great credit for is not getting tangled up with anyone on his way to P1, plus the pass on Max was very smart and well thought through. Whatever his car has wasn’t given to Bottas who was one of the slowest through the speed trap. I don’t know how Merc have bent the rules but it’s something to do with the rear wing and it might just deliver Lewis a record 8th title but I’d prefer to see Max win this year, it would be better for the sport to have a new champion on the grid next year and see another team win for a change. I think a record which may never be broken should be harder to come by.

[exeterjeep]

The C4 highlights program also covered the visit of 3 kids to Mercedes, that happened a couple of weeks ago. 

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1512895/Lewis-Hamilton-surprises-schoolkids-in-Mercedes-factory-sends-inspiring-message

Lewis always tries to thank the crowd and go a bit further in the PR stakes than other drivers.

[mg4lotus]

@jimichangaHamilton's was fastest because he had a new engine... which is why he had the five place grid penalty.

Verstappen fingers Hamilton's rear wing then Red Bull complain to the stewards about the wing. The Mercedes rear wing mechanism is broken and 0.2mm out of spec. Hamilton gets disqualified. Is this coincidental?

[exeterjeep]

19 minutes ago, mg4lotus said:

Verstappen fingers Hamilton's rear wing

If the stewards believed that Max actually caused the damage, would have thought they would have DSQ'd him from the race and an even larger fine.

[mg4lotus]

Sao Paulo GP: Max Verstappen fined but escapes grid penalty for illegally touching Lewis Hamilton's car | F1 News (skysports.com)

Skysports confirm

[C8RKH]

Yet again you see the true nature of Verstappen where he DELIBERATELY tries to take Lewis out. I'm sorry @LotusLeftLotusRightbut Verstappen never had any intention to make that corner and the situation could have mirrored Silverstone. I think Lewis has zero trust in Max and just kept wide to keep away from him - Verstappen would have benefitted greatly from both crashing out or just Lewis. It worries me to say it but I just don't think Max thinks through consequences when on track 

The Stewards fooked up in not penalising him so then he thinks he can get away with weaving on track. RBs then calls to Massi are pathetic especially given the BS from Horner re stewards "influencing" at Silverstone.

RB, in my very humble opinion just come across to me, as a nasty, bully of a team. I have no doubt Verstappen will win the WDC but I'll never respect him or the team (which I supported in the past). Not that he'll give a shit lol 

As for Bottas, T2, Lap 1 he should have just held his line on the rumbles, kept his foot in, and let Max drive into him  Max would have done himself in for sure. The only way to deal with a bully is to fight back.