Evora prices post Emira launch

[moto_geek]

I initially was all caught up in the hype of the Emira but then I recently did the Porsche (911 turbo/GT3) Experience at LA https://www.porschedriving.com/los-angeles which I highly recommend and was a blast. You literally drive them as fast as they will go and your skill level. The 5 times I did the 911 turbo launch was ridiculous. I hit 2.4 (0-60 twice.  I feel the Emira will have the looks and price but not the performance I was hoping for that can be offered by other cars on the market.

Now that said, the market is a big blunder when it comes to new/used cars of any type available and everything is pre ordered out to 2022. I'm actually going to try negotiate a good deal for a new/almost new manual boxed Evora to get me by for a couple years to see what happen with EV and prices when the demand slows down on new cars. I've had my eye on the Evora for quite some time. 

Does anyone feel the loaded 2020 or 2021 Evora carbon pack GT could be negotiated for 100k still?

   

Edited October 12, 2021 by moto_geek

[C8RKH]

On 28/08/2021 at 22:19, r3nault said:

If classic status is achieved, do you really think a 400 is double an NA?

Really good well sorted early NA's are going for anything up to 35k now.  I think late model 400's, in low mileage great condition will make 55k all day long, GT410's 60-65k.  The thing is the Evora looks great and IS super rare, the success of the Emira could be it's downfall re residuals. But time will tell of course, anything we say here is just guesswork.

[PAR]

With the current state of the market, people would be nuts to let a 2021 Evora go for USD100k so if you can get one near that, you should. Price may do a bit of a landing in 2 years time but the alternative is probably to not have a car..

[EGTE]

Plus it will be half the price of the 911 Turbo......

[Ba55uma]

More guesswork.

 

I was talking to Jamie and B&C yesterday as part of the hunt for my Evora S and asked if anyone discussed part exchanging their Evoras when the Emira is being delivered. He said most of the Emira orders they got are new to lotus. I know it's one dealer but it's very unlikely the prices of Evora will plummet when the Emiras are seen on the road. 

[Bibs]

The split is along the lines of 25% current owners, 75% new owners who are ordering an Emira.

[Ba55uma]

I wonder how many orders are there in total in the UK and globally. As current orders are expected to be delivered in July 2023. 

[Bibs]

Would be about 5 years worth of production at previous levels!! Lucky they've got a new factory and lots and lots of new staff

 

[EGTE]

Still about 2 years' worth even at the new production rate, apparently.

[Ba55uma]

3 models Vs 1 model on the production line. In addition, it's lanuch editions and only customisation for owners is paint colour, interior and transmission. Things should (should) roll out much faster. 

[au-yt]

Now the Emira is being tested by Jurnos, I wounder what other people think.

I for one really love the styling of the Emira one of the Best looking cars ever made and dare I say it better looking than the F8( my neighour has one and had a really good look and ride in the car)

However, but that's it. Don't like the on trend interior, the dash and I am going to cop a hiding for saying, the first thing I thought of was it looks like a 1980 throwback with an Ipad parked in the in the middle and chrome around the vents. the seats look to over padded.

Ive said this before but lotus are now where Porsche was in the 90's with the 964(Evora)and the Emira(993).

Lotus will sell bucket loads of the EMIRA ( Australia according to SSC have orders of over 90) and so it should, but I prefer the more "analog" Evora.

I await the berating.

[C8RKH]

@au-yt if I wasn't happily married I'd ask you for a dance!

I think, no believe, the Emira will be a huge success. But will I swap my Evora for one? No.

I am tempted to have an I4 base to sit alongside my Evora Sport 410. One has to do the shopping in something and the Emira will be perfect for that. I will even have a choice of 2 cup holders for my iced frappuccino mocha with cream and toffee sauce to sit in. Super!

Now, an Emira I4 GT4/3 special, stripped and full of carbon ... That could sit next to my Sport 410 for sure.

[au-yt]

20 minutes ago, C8RKH said:

@au-yt if I wasn't happily married I'd ask you for a dance!

Now, an Emira I4 GT4/3 special, stripped and full of carbon ... That could sit next to my Sport 410 for sure.

Thank you at least one person agrees with me, not sure may will, but hey, may lotus sell many.

When I first heard of the "new" lotus being developed, I was even advised then to keep the EVORA as the new car will be a more "shopping" mass market car, but by account it still has LOTUS DNA.

 

[C8RKH]

44 minutes ago, au-yt said:

When I first heard of the "new" lotus being developed, I was even advised then to keep the EVORA as the new car will be a more "shopping" mass market car, but by account it still has LOTUS DNA.

You have just described the Emira.

Slower than an Evora 400, similar performance to an S2 S. Heavier than the 4xx cars. But hey, it has proper cupholders and lots of screens but only 2 seats so many Evora owners could never buy it ( but will! ) Oh the hyprocisy of those Evora +0 naysayers lol.... .

[TdM]

I think it looks good... I'm not as in love with it as many others. Might just be what I like. For me, the Evora has a more supercar aggression especially to the front end. The Emira is too round and I don't like the nostrils. I'm sure I'm in the minority!

[EGTE]

Nope, I'm not sold on the Emira looks at all and the interior has too many screens and electric motors for me.

[Bruss]

Love the look and the interior.  Not so sure about the ancient truck engine and box. 
Looking forward to the AMG version though.

 

 

 

[Greyvora]

Not a fan of the front end but apart from that I think it looks great. I might change my opinion when I see one in the flesh, the blue one Harry Metcalfe reviewed was stunning. Interior a very nice place to be. However, I haven't seen any reviews which say it's a step up in performance or handling from an Evora. So I'll be keeping mine 😃 The AMG engined car might be different, mind you. I hope Lotus sell them by the bucket load and use some of the profits to keep producing spare parts for Evoras! 

[jimichanga]

Still not sure what people were expecting from the Emira but it’s exactly what Lotus were aiming for and more importantly for them it has attracted a lot of deposits. So it has been a success already.

As for people getting excited for an Emira ‘Cup 430’ in 2024, Lotus topped that in 2017! In time I think the Emira will lead to greater appreciation of the Evora. I’m already starting to appreciate its analog dials compared to tft screens that date in a matter of months. I really think a lot of new to Lotus Emira owners will be amazed by an Evora test drive if they ever take one. Those looking for a bit more edge, excitement and engagement will find it. The last Evoras are very special drivers cars, the best driving Lotus cars to date imo. Emira could have topped it but Lotus went a different route. The right choice for them clearly but I wouldn’t be selling an Evora GT for an Emira, not yet at least.

[rudolphwolven]

*****

Well said, I fully agree......

This is exactly what I expected / feared (of course I was not sure about it) when I favored to purchase the last Evora GT 410 Sport IPS in the Netherlands April 2021.

I was fully aware that the Emira was coming, had seen the model etc, however being a Lotus owner for 30 years already, with my existing Lotus knowledge and experience I doubted that the sum of attractiveness of the "entirely new" Emira would be higher as that of the last Evora GT (for me of course). Furthermore I had to wait one / two years before the possibility to drive an Emira, whereas a new Evora GT was immediately available, the test drive convinced me instantly about it's qualities (plus an almost 25% discount of it's initial price).

The last Evora GT is the ultimate result of 10 years of continuos development of this car....... a kind of sport Lotus is at it's best.

For me the "raw" and little agressive look of the Evora is what I like as well as it's super rarity and exclusiveness in Continental Europe / the Netherlands. 

I was a afraid that the "primarily competing GT4 approach", together with all the (imo) unnecessary digital stuff and "Big Daddy"  Geely's stimulation / control after their financial injection; the higher production target; the lack of experienced / trained workforce would Lotus bring out of their natural balance and lead at least to the first "less Lotus" issued car.

Now it comes all together, the Emira is a nice / almost feminine model, however somewhat disappointing in most reviews, mainly caused by the lack of typical aspects Lotus did stand for up till now.

The Emira lovers tend to shift their attention now to the updates for the V6 in the future and the arrival of the i4, whereas all kind of accelerating noise and environmental restrictions in the next years is not on their side 

I fear that finally it will not lead to what we hoped the Emira would be........in the meantime the i14 is hyped so much that it can only disappoint in it's own way like the V6 Emira.

Nevertheless I believe that the Lotus team successfully performed the greatest achievement in Lotus history.

[au-yt]

Probably not the correct place for a winge, sorry Bibs, however one of the other tid bits is the way in which journalists now report and not just on cars they don't report the news just their VIEWS.

On cars like they are critical designers, Oh I don like this and I like that why did they do that etc. Stick with the facts and comparative facts where necessary, they all think their influencers their paid to report not distort.. 

As you were back to the thread

Edited June 9, 2022 by au-yt
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[Techyd]

It's a fair point, and a tricky line to walk I think, we looking for their insights in to the vehicle and how it makes them feel (when driving it) but you're right, we aren't looking for their design criticisms -  such as Carwows 5 things I like / 5 things I don't like; they add naff all.

I've not seen an Emira in the flesh yet, so I am reserving final thoughts and opinions until then, especially on the interior.

[jimichanga]

Blue car looked amazing at Goodwood but it was slammed on ride height completely unlike customer cars.

Problem with Emira i4 is the same as V6, weight has gone up and power is turned down to leave room for an ‘S’ to keep the orders coming in and interest up. No point in a 420bhp i4 now as they have sold well at 360bhp but a 420bhp Emira turbo with DCT will be a more exciting car, very fast and likely to have gotten better reviews. But this car is at least 2 years away and will likely cost Evora money. Sounds like the plan is to do a last V6 at 430bhp also in 2024, 7 years after the GT430 launch! Can’t see it weighing 1300kg either. What a great buy the GT430 looks now although asking prices seem to have firmed up a lot lately and they don’t sit around for long.

Easy to pick holes in Lotus plan it’s a huge challenge to convince a lot more people they need a Lotus, I wish them all the best with it and have to say the Eletre looks amazing for those that want an SUV.

[Spinney]

I was very tempted by the Emira when it was first unveiled but then cooled. Since then I keep wondering if I should have dived in but my head has finally won out over my heart. Despite owning an Evora, I’ve never been totally sold on the looks and feel it has quite a few awkward viewing angles on it. The Emira looks, however, I’m completely hooked on and just think it looks so much more resolved than my Evora. 

As for the Emira interior, I’m not a fan of touchscreens in cars and, lack of oddments storage aside, I actually much prefer my Evora. I realise I’m probably one of the few with that particular view but I just think it’s a nice place to be, with very few distractions. I have managed to concoct some oddments storage of my own, on the outside of each seat base and netting attached to the tunnel on the passenger side, which all helps though. The area where the +2 seats are is obviously useful but not easy to access whilst driving. 

When all is said and done the Emira, very pretty though it is, just wouldn’t give me any significant improvement over my Evora. And as others have said, I’m sure the rarity value will play it’s part in future Evora values. I desperately want the Emira to be a huge sales success but mainly because I want Lotus, a marque I’ve loved for around 60 years, to grow and prosper. That success, though, will surely have a downward pressure on residuals won’t it?

[au-yt]

Old models always drop when a new model comes out but as we are now in a totally different world perspective motoring, its anyone guess

Another thought if I may, I se the Emira appealing to a different market which is what LOTUS wants and that's a good thing for the life of the company.

However my best description for lots of the new buyers, is non enthusiast flippers, keep the car for 12 months to three years now whats next......