AMG Emira

[Beady]

1 hour ago, Evotion said:

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but I was just told that the AMG i4 Emira will now NOT be coming out until January 2023 - not the Autumn of 2022.

i guess the next question then is what impact that has on own spec V6 cars. eg could own spec V6 now be available later in 2022

anyone have any insight into total number of deposits taken so far? then if 50% of those wanted i4 it would give an idea of V6 buyers v likely 2022 production numbers

[Evotion]

40 minutes ago, Speedluvver said:

Did they say why? Parts shortage ?

 

32 minutes ago, Jimbobc said:

That’s worrying if it’s fallen back so quickly 

Heard it from Jamie and Scott. I didn;t specifically ask why but they did say that Lotus are concentrating on getting the V6 out.   Jamie said no second shift and Scott said there will be so still confused on overall Emira First Edition numbers.

On 02/08/2021 at 09:36, freefall_junkie said:

If the V6 is, say, over £10k more than the AMG then it becomes a much harder choice for me.

I think it will only be £5k!

6 minutes ago, Beady said:

eg could own spec V6 now be available later in 2022

No.  That was not mentioned at all.

7 minutes ago, Beady said:

anyone have any insight into total number of deposits taken so far? then if 50% of those wanted i4 it would give an idea of V6 buyers v likely 2022 production numbers

3000.

Scott said that they are now looking to increase production to meet more of the demand, up to 1100 or so cars for the UK.

Jamie, on the other hand, said 10 minutes before that to me that there was no second shift as  Lotus are keen to get the FE out and not 'overdo' it - as in seeing how that goes before the higher risks that come with increased production levels.

Either way. new depositors are looking at mid to late 2023 now!

[Bibs]

15 minutes ago, Evotion said:

Jamie said no second shift and Scott said there will be

I'm with Scott

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

Two shifts of V6s? So potentially 10,000 units per year. I hope Toyota and Edelbrock are geared-up: that’s unheard of demand from Lotus.

[MJON]

I don’t think Toyota will have any concerns, average annual vehicle production usually over Nine Million‼️although lower in recent times, they make most of their own engines and not just for cars. If Lotus go double shift for additional V6 alone that’s about 40 hours extra production and no chips required 👍

[TomE]

I wonder if the i4 delay is because of higher than expected V6 FE take up and relatively few deposits cashed in so far?

I’d heard the V6 FE versus i4 FE/own spec split was running 70:30 not the initially predicted 50:50

[Evotion]

Yeah, you heard it on here! 😄

The original poll suggested a very close 50-50 split.

Now that we have more info and people have learned of the timing the bias has moved strongly to the V6. Basically, if you want a V6 Emira this year then the V6 is your only choice. I'd expect it to widen out further to 75-25.

The i4 will come back with a vengeance in 2023.

[Nimbus-in-Notts]

They’re really going to struggle holding on to a lot who placed deposits based on wanting FE i4’s and also the thought of £60K basic specs, those own spec cars could be almost two years away with how things are getting later and later. First it was 3 months after the V6, so July-August. Then it was Autumn. Now it’s some point in 2023. 
 

Maybe AMG can’t make them soon enough?

[DaveC72]

Guess I'll be "slumming it" in my Evora longer than expected... not great,  but not terrible either... First World problems, eh? 🙄🤣

[Evotion]

Yeah,. seems like 2023 will the true Year of the Emira.

They will be a very rare sight in late 2022.

Very fruit rating  for those with hearts set on an AMG i4 after all the excitement,

Hopefully, the persevere. Time goes quickly and they will find themselves at the front of the queue for the 4 cylinder car.

[AZD]

 

2 hours ago, Nimbus-in-Notts said:

They’re really going to struggle holding on to a lot who placed deposits based on wanting FE i4’s and also the thought of £60K basic specs, those own spec cars could be almost two years away with how things are getting later and later. First it was 3 months after the V6, so July-August. Then it was Autumn. Now it’s some point in 2023. 
 

Maybe AMG can’t make them soon enough?

Exactly this, was looking forward to seeing the car tomorrow but this drip feeding of information is getting silly. I will not be keeping a deposit in place for a 2023 car!

[Evotion]

Welcome!  Do not give up. Keep the deposit as passive 'savings'. You may want an Emira down the line.

[Emiralust]

4 hours ago, TomE said:

I wonder if the i4 delay is because of higher than expected V6 FE take up and relatively few deposits cashed in so far?

Hi Tom, Jamie said tonight it was also to do with getting as many V6 models built as possible before emission changes in the future. 
 

Funnily enough, myself & @Speedluvverhad the exact same experience as @Evotion where Jamie said yes the i4 is going to be put back for the reasons (mainly stated above.) But then Scott said no it’s not being put back. So perhaps we should wait for official announcement as might just be a brainstorm for now.

[CocoPops]

Yep, we were told by Jamie it was 2023… then by Scott it was categorically 2022.

Who knows 🤷‍♂️

[TomE]

35 minutes ago, CocoPops said:

Who knows 🤷‍♂️

In this situation - Scott  

Interesting about the "build as many as possible before emissions changes" point, as the upcoming changes likely to affect the V6 aren't until 2025/26 so wouldn't be a huge reason to shoehorn in V6s and delay i4s.

[C8RKH]

I bet they make more cash on the V6, so push it whilst they can with the pent up demand for an Emira, any Emira.  Sound business logic to me.

Also, suggests to me we may get some Emira FE V6 owners swapping out their cars in 2023 for an "own spec" I4.  That works for me to get into a used FE V6 as still not sure re buying new again! 

 

[TomE]

Yes, you've got to assume the V6 costs them less than the AMG but they can price it higher, at least for the time being.  I suspect that's also why they haven't announced the i4 FE or V6 base or individual options prices yet and probably won't until the i4 book opens at the end of the year (or later).

[Denno]

I have kind of accepted I would be a 2023 i4 anyway with not being an early depositor. It’s a long time to wait  but I’m looking at the positives. Can see the reviews, have a proper test drive, see the exterior colours and interior differences etc so will most likely just leave my deposit in and wait it out. 
Also if the market crashes and there are suddenly £40k used examples available I’d just buy one of those knowing I’ve saved a big chunk of depreciation not buying new. Win win  all round by being patient

[TonyShepp]

For me I fancied the V6 but not with a manual or the IPS gearbox - I'm used to, and enjoy DCT in my V8 M3. I prefer the expected sound of the V6 but the AMG 4 pot with low down torque entices me in -different experience to a N/A engine.

I put down a deposit on 7th July and was in the first 500 to receive a V6 FE if i wanted one, I'll still wait for the I4 FE. I'm used to waiting I have an electric Ribble bike on order for the past 9 months and still no expected delivery date.

If I've learnt anything during Covid its patience i'd prefer my Emira in Spring 2023 rather than Winter 2022. Having said that when I do see an early V6 Emira attracting lots of attention I will will question my judgement on waiting :)

 

[C8RKH]

12 minutes ago, TonyShepp said:

I prefer the expected sound of the V6 but the AMG 4 pot with low down torque entices me in -different experience to a N/A engine.

The V6 is supercharged and has plenty of low down torque in the Evora and Exige so do not see why it would different in the Emira.

[TonyShepp]

Then for me its the gearbox. The majority of driving, even though i live in the peak district, is town and for that reason the advantage of DCT appeals, IPS auto less so as it wont and isn't as advanced as new torque converters or DCT boxes.

 

[C8RKH]

Fair enough. DCT seems to have reached the peak of its hype curve and is falling out of favour across many manufacturers.

The majority of those who have an IPS box on an Evora love it, and after following a 400 IPS on many very fast trips to the Isle of Man I can say that the auto blip on shifts makes the driver appear to be a god

 

[DarrylV8]

the auto blip on shifts makes the driver appear to be a god  really need to tell Sue she may appear to be a  "goddess" when she drives!

[TonyShepp]

Then perhaps to us "Lotus newbies" Lotus would want to invite us to drive an Evora V6 Manual and Auto to be better informed on the brand. Maybe I ask Nottingham when i see them in 3 weeks time.

[Evotion]

58 minutes ago, Denno said:

so will most likely just leave my deposit in and wait it out. 

100%. You will be very happy you did that - come the time.

48 minutes ago, TonyShepp said:

electric Ribble bike

Sweet. They look great, hardly tell they are even electric. In the market myself. The Porsche eBike in Guildford looks the nuts but, my god, it is expensive.

13 minutes ago, TonyShepp said:

Then perhaps to us "Lotus newbies" Lotus would want to invite us to drive an Evora V6 Manual and Auto to be better informed on the brand. Maybe I ask Nottingham when i see them in 3 weeks time.

Damn right!  Surprised you haven't already