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Head Gasket Failure/Issue Survey


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11 hours ago, EXCEL V8 said:

The Goetze gasket is no longer being made.  I've recently found it impossible to find one on this side of the pond.  There is a replacement available from Lotus but not much feedback about it yet.  Gary Kemp stocks a steel MLS style that is slightly thinner so has implications for compression ratio - if that is a factor.  I'm about to build my engine using one of the new Lotus gaskets so we'll see!

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Based on the crap supplied by some of these suppliers - both uk and usa - I’d proceed with lots of caution. They have form in supplying anything they can - and form is clear all over the Internet of failures of these gaskets which are all similar in failure mode.

Goetze gaskets we’re available when I did mine over the first covid lockdown - a new batch had not long been made.

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Very much appreciated chaps. So Barry, to whom did you turn for the Goetze?

Seems the uprated studs are regarded as the way to go? Must admit I'm challenged to understand how it is the steel fasteners ( fixed in aluminium ) which are the fail point, though I will defer always to the wisdom of those who've gone before.

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I've read that there were two styles of studs, later engines had supposedly better items with a dimpled end.

With regard to my above postings, actual measured CR was 8.39:1 with thin (blown) gaskets, 8.11:1 with the thicker one (still working) when I calculate with actual head volume and compressed gasket thickness. This with JE aftermarket pistons in an LC block.

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Right. The dimpled studs are regarded as upgrade over early type, noted perhaps in the Lotus Service Bulletin recently circulated somewhere hereabouts. Thomas, the difference in CR's you report surely cannot be a matter for concern in and of itself. What I have learned in regard to forced aspiration engines is above all to mind in cylinder conditions under load. Timing never over advanced, mixture always comfortably fat, intake air temps as low as feasible, plugs on the cold side, all cylinders in balance and octane as high as is practical. That well sorted and one is good for the sort of boost levels you're running. Moving further on to truly great increases in power output raises the stakes in terms of gasket integrity and whatever structural limitations are native to the engine.

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1991 Lotus Esprit Turbo SE. According to my service records, this head gasket was installed by the previous owner in 2017, at an approximate mileage of 38K. I’ve experienced a gradual, but noticeable and progressive engine power loss during the past 1K miles. It finally blew at cylinder 4 and filled it with water at 62K miles. 

Has anyone seen a head gasket look like this, especially after only 6 years of use and 24K miles? It looks absolutely trashed. Fire ring at cylinder 4 is also cracked. Car in my possession has never been tracked or abused. Running S4s chip. 

Any ideas on who the manufacturer for this gasket is? If anyone has for sale a new original German made Goetze gasket, please contact me privately, I’m interested in buying one. 

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Looks the same nasty specimen that I had on my S4s. A couple of the “specialists” were flogging these gaskets in the USA and UK. They were simply not fit for purpose.

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10 hours ago, Barrykearley said:

Looks the same nasty specimen that I had on my S4s. A couple of the “specialists” were flogging these gaskets in the USA and UK. They were simply not fit for purpose.

From what I understand, head gaskets sold by JAE, Kemp, and currently by even Lotus themselves, are all the same and one gasket? I conclude this from pictures, thickness measurements, and serial/model markings. If this is not the case, I would love to learn further info. 

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There was a period when OEM gaskets were not available. One of the said specialists had a batch of gaskets made which were then distributed. There’s no shortage of images of these gasket failures all over the internet - more so in the USA where boost cranking is popular. They will and do fail if boosted over time even at standard levels. 
 

The difference between these and Goetze are massive and very obvious 

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There is a theory that keeping the heater on all the time aids coolant circulation around #4 cylinder. Helping to reduce the hot spot around that cylinder and reducing the possibility of gasket failure.  True or not, I don’t know. But since the rebuild of my Stevens turbo I’ve been following that practice.

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Yes, I have the heater on the Esprit on at all times, and when coming into traffic, I always start the fan as well.

The Excel, it isn't always set to heat, but again, in stationary traffic, on goes the heater and fans. Have noticed a distinct drop in the temp gauge on the Excel when doing this. 

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