Brexit

[Chillidoggy]

7 hours ago, SFO said:

Drakeford looks, sounds and acts like a reject from Lord of the Rings puppet collection 

 

EU document showing comparison of pros/cons of deal
 

https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/eu-uk_trade_and_cooperation_agreement-a_new_relationship_with_big_changes-overview_of_consequences_and_benefits.pdf

 

It could almost have come from the BBC.

[Andyww]

14 hours ago, Andyww said:

Probably.

I reckon when the details come out of the final stages it will be as predicted months (years) ago ie, Merkel, told by German industry to sort it, spoke to Von Der Leyen and told her to sort it, then her and Boris did so, over the heads of Barnier and Macron.

Yep, I was right:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9084321/Angela-Merkel-pulls-strings-11th-hour-avoid-No-Deal-set-bid-adieu-EU.html

[100th_Idiot]

10 hours ago, Alfa2Evora said:

Apparently, BJ's 'deal' is a total betrayal of the Scottish fishing industry - that's the industry that will be protected under the new Fisheries Bill (now an Act) that the SNP voted against last month and the industry that they were fully prepared to (and had behind the scenes already offered to) hand back to the EU upon Scotland being admitted as an independent European country. 😠

Their hypocrisy knows no bounds!

🤦‍♂️ I thought I was making a joke. Sigh.

[PaulCP]

16 hours ago, Dan E said:

Starmer!! what a ........................ just seen him on Sky. 

Just his little speech from yesterday on Sky & yes, what a ...........

His attempt at appearing aggressive and threatening just shows how much he has to learn. Body language and wording made it appear to be a personal attack on BoJo.
There was a way of doing this which could have resonated with a large element of the British public and he totally missed the opportunity. All he had to do was say, in a calm way, “we will of course vote for this, since the only other option was a no deal, but the British public will hold the govt accountable in the future if it becomes a bad deal for the U.K.”

Labour Party leadership has been a joke for the past 10 years

[Barrykearley]

He’s forgetting that millions of his own voters voted exactly for a no deal brexit as did Bojos. If this turns out to be an utter stitch up then there will be political earthquakes. As it is - I’m sure Queen Nicola will be stamping her feet for another independence vote so they can merge and become a state of Europe. Always find that one weird they want independence but wish to be ruled by a foreign organisation.  She should look carefully at voter numbers though - since more Scots voted for Brexit than voted for the SNP. 

[SFO]

1 hour ago, Barrykearley said:

She should look carefully at voter numbers though - since more Scots voted for Brexit than voted for the SNP. 

Never knew that! Fascinating. 

[PaulCP]

3 hours ago, Barrykearley said:

I’m sure Queen Nicola will be stamping her feet for another independence vote so they can merge and become a state of Europe. 

She already has according to reports on Sky news

 Nicola Sturgeon said “This deal contains so many broken promises for Scotland, particularly on fisheries, that Scotland should now have the right to choose its own future as an independent country and once more regain the benefits of EU membership”

Same old broken record 

[C8RKH]

And yet she fails to grasp that the deal for fisheries is still substantively better that what the EU allowed under our membership. In other words she is complaining that now she has a better deal she wanted an even better one even though she is prepared to give it away by rejoining the EU as an Independent Scotland. I do wish some of our journalists would grow a pair and start responding with some hard questions/facts to really show the public just what a muppet people like Sturgeon really are.

 

[Barrykearley]

It’s worth noting that none of the waters around Scotland are scottish 

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

4 hours ago, Barrykearley said:

since more Scots voted for Brexit than voted for the SNP. 

Presumably because the Brexit vote had only two choices and was rather more galvanising amongst the electorate than a run of the mill election.

[Barrykearley]

The Scots independence referendum will be basically 

Stay with the UK

Rejoin the EU.

she’s not gonna fool any of the voters 

[rallyesax]

My post was to be read at a second degree of course. Nothing serious in that. 

There are very good things with Europe and some counterparts or abuse/arrangements with its laws sometimes. So I perfectly understand that people can get annoyed with it. 

Plus, the people have spoken and democracy has made its way. That's for me by far, the most important thing to defend in any case. Whatever what side of a border you're on. 

And of course, seasons greetings to everyone 🍾

[910Esprit]

I believe Nicola would have preferred 'no deal' to progress her narrative - However. she is a very canny political operator and if anyone can hoodwink the Scots, she can.

[mdw]

22 hours ago, C8RKH said:

One of the few good things to come out of Kent

 

  😟   I'm sure we will all try not to take that too personally

[C8RKH]

1 hour ago, mdw said:

  😟   I'm sure we will all try not to take that too personally

Lol. Don't worry the Apologist will be along shortly to unwrinkle your brow and give you a cuddle. But just in case you are in any doubt,  yup, it was a joke @mdw.  Coming from Liverpool and therefore being the butt of literally millions of jokes and digs I grew both a sense of humour and a thick skin at an early age. 

merry xmas everyone in Kent. Love you really.

[Sparky]

Except @Chillidoggy.  There are limits.

[Bibs]

This sounds like it could save a lot of lives...

https://www.uclhospitals.brc.nihr.ac.uk/news/uclh-doses-first-patient-world-covid-19-antibody-trial

[Sparky]

Don't know if/how it's related, but I am part of a UCL study and will be having an antibody test imminently.

[ChrisJ]

Boris has succeeded where all others failed - UnHerd

 

[C8RKH]

3 hours ago, ChrisJ said:

Boris has succeeded where all others failed - UnHerd

 

An interesting read thanks for sharing.

I for one am interested to see where the debate now goes. For too long Remainers have sought to control the rhetoric based on facts that are increasingly untrue. Like all Boris ever wanted was a "no deal" - if you know anything about him, his politics, and his time as London Mayor, you will know he is not the extreme right wing dictator people like to pitch him as.

I mean look at him and the current Mayor Sadiq Khan. You would expect the old Etonian, blonde flop haired to be totally despised by the multi-cultural Londoners, however, I really do believe that history will show that BoJo did more to bring Londoners together, really together, than that left wing socialist Khan could ever do.

So, on January 1st I predict, that the predictions of the Remainers, will be found to be the total bollocks we always said they were. The world will not stop to let the UK get off. Trade will not cease and supermarket shelves will not be bare. Cars will continue to be made here and exported to Europe (I can see a potential popularist backlash to the likes of Nissan, Renault and Honda who all trumpeted with glee how Brexit would kill their UK operations and jobs). And we'll all be able to go on to our summer holidays in Spain and France without an issue.  We'll have a new global Healthcard (a GHIC instead of an NHIC) and it will be continued to be ignored, just like the last one was in large parts of Spain, Italy and France and you'll still be expected to flash your credit card upfront to get treatment and then told to claim it back from your insurance (whilst the NHS will continue to treat French, Spanish and Italians who will continue to holiday here for free, without the embarrassment of forcing them to insert their credit cards into a machine first).

A lot of people saying that the trade deal does not cover everything and therefore we lost or capitulated. But then they seem to forget that we are now free to negotiate trade deals anywhere else we want and that these will be "over and above" the deal with the EU.  We didn't lose on fisheries, we gained 25% MORE of our catch back (you can tell Scotland's educational system is broken as Sturgeon seems to think having more is worse and so watch her pontificate over how Scottish fisherpeople have been sold down the river as she convinces to then give up that 25% more to have 25% less by going back into the EU - I know, bonker is as bonkers does!)

I think as 2021 unfolds a lot of Reaminers words will find themselves into humble pies and I for one will enjoy watching them eat it!  The deal is not perfect. Not by a long way, but is actually better than just about Remainer I know would have predicted, even when they had been on the "happy cigs" for the weekend.

Maybe now we can put this Brexit thing behind us. Focus on getting over this Pandemic and then drive this country forwards to be the best it can be. Or, we just go back to arguing over a decision that was taken democratically 4 years ago and acted upon. I guess the choice is ours now.

[pete]

Whilst agreeing with most of the above,there is no way I will be holidaying in France or traveling through it ,if I can avoid it 

[Barrykearley]

52 minutes ago, C8RKH said:

We'll have a new global Healthcard (a GHIC instead of an NHIC) and it will be continued to be ignored, just like the last one was in large parts of Spain, Italy and France and you'll still be expected to flash your credit card upfront to get treatment and then told to claim it back from your insurance (whilst the NHS will continue to treat French, Spanish and Italians who will continue to holiday here for free, without the embarrassment of forcing them to insert their credit cards into a machine first).

And right there is a clear example of the contempt many member states, read real countries, held the Great British citizens in. Even after being rescued by our heros after the last unification of Europe a few decades ago.

[SFO]

2 hours ago, C8RKH said:

We didn't lose on fisheries, we gained 25% MORE of our catch back (you can tell Scotland's educational system is broken as Sturgeon seems to think having more is worse and so watch her pontificate over how Scottish fisherpeople have been sold down the river as she convinces to then give up that 25% more to have 25% less by going back into the EU - I know, bonker is as bonkers does!)

Sturgeon is clutching at straws. Her fox has been shot as there will be no material damage to Scotland now we have a FTA. SNP were very quiet on fish as staying in customs union and single market would mean no additional fish. Now they just sound ridiculous but not to SNP true believers. Hopefully, many other Scots with an open and reasonable mind can see through Sturgeon's duplicitous clap trap of diarrhoea masquerading as policy and strategy.

I can't wait to see Andrew Neil interview her on why independence is still so important to Scotland's economy. 

[PaulCP]

2 hours ago, C8RKH said:

I for one am interested to see where the debate now goes. For too long Remainers have sought to control the rhetoric based on facts that are increasingly untrue.

 

I think quite a few of those who voted “remain,” like myself, have become pretty sick and tired of the EU over the past 4 years and are now happy that we are out.

Getting agreements was never going to be easy, but during those 4 years the EU have demonstrated beyond doubt not just how their unelected bureaucrats try to run the show but also how the main member states just look after themselves.

If true, a prime example is reports that Merkel pulled strings right at the death for fear of how a no deal would adversely affect German manufacturers’ who trade with the U.K., particularly the motor sector. 

I think that the EU will be very interesting over the next 10 years as the “united 27” start to become more disunited.

[pete]

We are all now 'believers'