Coronavirus

[tom kilner]

Funny how many historical power groups oppose birth control. I think they want to breed themselves into the majority.

 

[C8RKH]

It's more historical. In the past, more kids died than lived to adult hood  The side/ force with the highest numbers won as you had a greater population farming, mining etc and in the army. Combat was to hand so numbers won.

Now, there are just too many people and future wars will be about attacking and stopping infrastructure like internet, water works, power etc. Actual physical fighting is on the decline. So, you need less people to win and as we are seeing now having more people creates its own issues during crisis/war. So, we need to control numbers. Quite simple really and with immediate effect families should be limited to one or at max 2 kids. Yup, won't be popular...

[Bibs]

[PaulCP]

Lol, I think my caption for that would be

”Someone has decided to sell the Daily Mail for its intended use”

[oilmagnet477]

That was OK in the old days when you went for a dump over a bucket in the privy but DO NOT flush newspaper down your loo!

The consequences are unthinkable 💩💩💩💩

[The Pits]

From March 2015.

[C8RKH]

Beautiful today where I live in the middle of Scottish nowhere. Great to sit out and enjoy a cuppa with the sun warming my face and body. Superb!  Took advantage of the lovely day to start clearing the crap from the garage. Self isolation does have its benefits :) :) :)

 

[C8RKH]

Interesting. 

 

"Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England Dr Jenny Harries also warns against a "direct comparison" between virus case rates in Italy and the UK, saying this should be done with "caution".

She says that the case fatality rate is around 10% in Italy, as opposed to 4% in the UK - but it depends how cases are counted.

She says there are differences in testing, with more serious cases being tested in the UK, for example.

She adds that they feel the eventual mortality rate for the virus will be around 1%"

[pete]

26 minutes ago, C8RKH said:

Beautiful today where I live in the middle of Scottish nowhere. Great to sit out and enjoy a cuppa with the sun warming my face and body. Superb!  Took advantage of the lovely day to start clearing the crap from the garage. Self isolation does have its benefits

 

Trouble is lots of people have been out and about today like they are on holiday,the same happened in France and Italy and after extra warnings they went on lock down same could happen here unless people listen to what they are being told.

 

[andydclements]

That rate for Italy as compared to other countries has puzzled me for a while. I get that Italy are reporting deaths where the patient has CV,  irrespective of the exact cause of death, e.g. if a patient had a heart attack which wasn't brought on by CV, but the person had CV, Ital seem to include it. I see how that pushes the mortality rate up. In the UK we count it differently, but we (UK) are also not testing for CV anywhere near as freely so I'd have expected us to have a higher-than reality mortality rate.  I'd expect Italy to be more effective at finding those who have the virus.

So why is Italy still 2.5 times our mortality rate despite our lack of testing?

[C8RKH]

Just now, pete said:

Trouble is lots of people have been out and about today like they are on holiday,the same happened in France and Italy and after extra warnings they went on lock down same could happen here unless people listen to what they are being told.

 

Sounds like it is too late and they've already got infected at the beach/welsh hills etc.

Complete and utter selfish twats have been leaving London et al in their thousands most likely taking the infection with them and well and truly spreading the love all over the country. Total twats the lot of them and about as thick as you can get.

Places like Norfolk, the Highlands and Wales were the virus hadn't really established are now full of selfish numbfooks in their holiday homes, caravans and campers. Like locusts they're clearing the local shops as they go so not only spreading the virus but also putting locals into more hard and hardship. Good job I'm not the Prime Minister as I'd seriously think about getting the army out to shoot the useless gits in the name of stopping the virus spreading. Really are some stupid people about. Good job I'm such a pacifist really!

Nice one.

[andydclements]

4 minutes ago, pete said:

Trouble is lots of people have been out and about today like they are on holiday,the same happened in France and Italy and after extra warnings they went on lock down same could happen here unless people listen to what they are being told.

 

I think my family are finally listening. Mum is 88 yrs, so high risk if she contracts it, SIL works at a school, Niece works in a respiratory ward of a hospital, Brother drives Niece to and from work. There were several things of "well, I don't think I have the virus so I'll be fine to visit Mum", they didn't seem to understand that it really need 7-14 days between last time at school/transporting Niece, before coming into contact with Mum. I get they don't want to let her feel that she's alone given Dad's passing last month, but if we don't take sufficient precautions we could be loosing both within a matter of weeks.

[Tomsk]

1 minute ago, andydclements said:

That rate for Italy as compared to other countries has puzzled me for a while. I get that Italy are reporting deaths where the patient has CV,  irrespective of the exact cause of death, e.g. if a patient had a heart attack which wasn't brought on by CV, but the person had CV, Ital seem to include it. I see how that pushes the mortality rate up. In the UK we count it differently, but we (UK) are also not testing for CV anywhere near as freely so I'd have expected us to have a higher-than reality mortality rate.  I'd expect Italy to be more effective at finding those who have the virus.

So why is Italy still 2.5 times our mortality rate despite our lack of testing?

The problem is pretty much nowhere is the entire population being tested, so all we can do is guess at the total. In the UK, we are only testing people who are admitted to hospital (i.e. given a bed overnight) who have symptoms consistent with COVID

As to why the death rate in Italy is so high?  Could be a number of factors:

- Higher average age of population so more vulnerable people

- A culture of living as extended families; so grandma sees the grandkids all the time

- Kissing as a greeting widely practiced

etc. etc.

[ramjet]

I just heard that some well-to-dos hired buses and went out to regional areas in Victoria and stripped those supermarkets as well. 

[pete]

15 minutes ago, andydclements said:

That rate for Italy as compared to other countries has puzzled me for a while. I get that Italy are reporting deaths where the patient has CV,  irrespective of the exact cause of death, e.g. if a patient had a heart attack which wasn't brought on by CV, but the person had CV, Ital seem to include it. I see how that pushes the mortality rate up. In the UK we count it differently, but we (UK) are also not testing for CV anywhere near as freely so I'd have expected us to have a higher-than reality mortality rate.  I'd expect Italy to be more effective at finding those who have the virus.

So why is Italy still 2.5 times our mortality rate despite our lack of testing?

The average age of the dead is 79.5 and 99% of them had an under lying problem. The Mediterranean diet has advantages and disadvantages

 

[Colin P]

7 hours ago, C8RKH said:

Quite simple really and with immediate effect families should be limited to one or at max 2 kids. Yup, won't be popular...

Ive been saying this all my adult life. Bloody hypocryte though as have 3 kids 

[C8RKH]

You just had to go back for one more bite of the cherry didn't you!  muhahahahaha

[Barrykearley]

 

[ChrisJ]

 

 

[Mysterae]

Darth Vader's wife out for her shopping....

[USAndretti42]

The big problem as I see it is not so much people with Covid-19 dying but them taking up ICU beds preventing others with heart failure, from road accidents and other traumas, with cancer, liver failure, etc. being able to get the care they need due to the lack of staff and facilities left over.

I don't understand why people haven' got the message about keeping their distance from each other.  It's not difficult.  The news spoke to to some simpletons who were out in a busy park today and they complained that it wasn't clear enough what they could and couldn't do.  It is.  Keep 2m away from others. Wash your hands frequently.  Avoid touching your or others faces.  Simples!

[red vtec]

5 hours ago, andydclements said:

I think my family are finally listening. Mum is 88 yrs, so high risk if she contracts it, SIL works at a school, Niece works in a respiratory ward of a hospital, Brother drives Niece to and from work. There were several things of "well, I don't think I have the virus so I'll be fine to visit Mum", they didn't seem to understand that it really need 7-14 days between last time at school/transporting Niece, before coming into contact with Mum. I get they don't want to let her feel that she's alone given Dad's passing last month, but if we don't take sufficient precautions we could be loosing both within a matter of weeks.

Went to sort my parents house out today, they both passed away suddenly a couple of years ago  so house is empty and I don't bump into anyone. So in one way that's a blessing as they don't have to go through this. Anyway next door neighbours both in their seventies had their kids and grand kids round! Couldn't make it up, I'll have zero empathy if they are ill or worse, some people are really not taking it serious. 

Sorry to to hear about your Dad. 

[Bibs]

If you've 5 mins free, here's the UK Coronavirus Bill. 

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-01/0122/20122.pdf?fbclid=IwAR106T-pNHyfdUcYxRD5Q3zEROqbSoLkED1VkkIWSZD4WwaB7Ij9tc2kN9w

[johnpwalsh]

My mums a wonderful 96 and in a nursing home which has gone into lockdown. Yep, all for best intentions. Its hard on the family having to say happy mothers day through a closed window. I'm lucky, I've been in lockdown for last 5 weeks on an offshore platform off Doha so you would think, great a sterile environment. Yep, but then they bring 24 guys back who have been stuck in country due to no flying. Yes they have been insolation for two weeks. Then, they bring out other guys who have been self isolating In what they call the industrial zone in the city, and where do they put them. In with the first batch. Then we hear the industrial zone has 100% barriers round it, the lot, police guards the lot. Why, because people in the zone are rife with the bloody virus. Sterile environment just gone out the window and we are told we are here for 3 months. And that's only if this shit subsides. Gees, it's hard watching the world go into melt down and knowing your wife, kids and mother who for various reasons are all high risk candidates and there is ferk all you can do.

Stay safe folks, and for ferk sake go by the advise of the specialists. I want to get home and have a family to come home too.

[Barrykearley]

Off to work shortly. It’s all solo working in remote locations for me. We have 48000 hens arriving in a couple of weeks - be very clear there is absolutely no shortage of eggs in the supply chain. Once this sheds finished - I’ve cleared my work diary. Madly enough a client from London who has a weekend house locally - txt me yesterday to as if I’ve got the sockets for his dining hall.....ummmmm sorry but that’s gonna have to wait.

stay safe folks.