Is electric really the answer?

[C8RKH]

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-couple-fume-handed-17k-27906242

[ramjet]

On 11/10/2023 at 23:54, Kimbers said:

And I thought 1 plus 1 is 69!

You will find that as you get older, 1 + 1 stops equaling 69.

 A strange quirk in the laws of the Universe. 

[Kimbers]

16 hours ago, C8RKH said:

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-couple-fume-handed-17k-27906242

I think some may have missed this Andy. So let me summarise for those who didn't read it.

Tesla have asked for over £17k to repair a car because their warranty doesn't cover the batteries getting wet. Which they do in heavy rain. The manager of Tesla pointed out they drove the car in a yellow weather warning which he implied they shouldn't do.

So moral of the story, don't get your Tesla wet!

[Rambo]

1 hour ago, Kimbers said:

So moral of the story, don't get your Tesla wet!

No, the moral of the story is, ban electric cars from central Edinburgh. Think of all the pollution that caused, what with the dirty diesel rescue vehicle that had to pick them up.

[Rambo]

To be fair, there was absolutely torrential rain in Edinburgh that w/e with huge puddles, roads awash with deep water etc... Those plonkers from Baberton probably went through standing water at speed and the rest is history.

It is well known that water and car electrics don't mix !

[C8RKH]

Just shows one of the flaws in a Tesla. If the batteries are that sensitive to rain, then protect them better.

I hope they take Tesla to court, they'll probably win on the "reasonableness" test.

[pete]

Scotland is now capable of producing 2/3rds of it's power from wind after the completion of the Seagreen offshore wind farm

[exeterjeep]

Tesla slashes prices of Model 3 AGAIN with range starting at £39,995

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/tesla-again-slashes-prices-of-model-3/291512

Electric truck maker Volta files for bankruptcy placing 600 UK jobs at risk

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/electric-truck-maker-volta-files-for-bankruptcy-600-uk-jobs-at-risk/291507

ll going so well for EV's.

[jep]

8 hours ago, Kimbers said:

moral of the story, don't get your Tesla wet!

Ironic when you consider Musk owns Wet Nellie 

Justin 

[JimmytheTurbo]

 

[Rambo]

This must be the shortest flirtation with an e car?

https://www.surinenglish.com/malaga/lucky-escape-after-man-wrecks-his-new-20231016110637-nt.html

[exeterjeep]

Nothing left of the Jag, must have been one hell of a fire.

2 minutes ago, Rambo said:

This must be the shortest flirtation with an e car?

He got so excited with the CO2 he was saving,  he feinted....

[Kimbers]

You know what? If EV's were anything else "In the world" (say in Jeremy Clarkson voice), they would have been put on hold subject to investigation by now.

They are increasingly both a risk to life and property.

- A dog with a big head bites someone and they are going to be a banned breed and euthanised.

- A toy is a potential choke hazard is banned and recalled

- Phone batteries explode or get too hot and the design is instantly withdrawn

- A petrol car has it's fuel tank in the wrong place and can combust in an accident its banned

And all of these are from no more than a couple of incidents

Why is it, after multiple, even thousands of incidents EV's spontaniously combust they are still being pushed through. I am NOT a conspiracy theorist but knowing what I know working in the industry all I can say is some people very powerful are getting mighty rich from these EV's cause there's no way they should exist as a viable option.

1. More expensive To Buy
2. Dirty production, less recycling, batteries travelling huge distances to be fitted, Toxic to mine and dispose of.
3. More Expensive to run by 50% or more
4. Less viable as a transport option due to limited range and infrastructure
5. Danger to life and Property
6. Cost to the Public in the UK when virtually no one else is doing it or is much slower to do it
7. Minimal change to Environment considering other countries yet huge cost
8. The saving, from investing the same amount of money, in clean energy for third world countries would treble its savings against investing in EV infrastructure.

so the question is, why are we so fixated on EV vehicles and Transport overall when things such as Clothing and Fashion create more damage to the environment than say, Shipping and Airtravel combined?

Why are the dirty area's of Fashion and Clothing, Technology use (including phones computers etc), Water wastage and pollution, Plastics production and use and finally Population Excess growth, Building and concreting over our natural environment, not dealt with in a similar fashion?

 

[ramjet]

There was an EV car fire here in Victoria just recently. The fireman that they spoke to said that they respond to at least one Li-Ion fire per week.

Not all cars, but e-bikes & scooters as well.

Surely fire services have to report these events as well and that has to have some sort of impact on someone, somewhere?

And 17k for a battery getting wet which is always going to happen unless the battery is in a sealed area of the car? If the area can't be sealed because air is needed to circulate around the battery to aid with cooling, then the design needs to be able to withstand water. It's not like they submerged the car.

That would be like driving my petrol car out on a nice day and it just stops due to too much sunlight.

[Escape]

Very good points! Except for 6., most Western countries are pushing EVs, Norway and The Netherlands very strongly for example, but Belgium isn't far behind. It's not working here either, but nobody seems to mind...

If I put my conspiracy hat on, I'd say that after taxing the hell out of cars, blaming them with all the sins of the modern world (often to justify the taxes) and making life of motorist more difficult rather than streamlining transport infrastructure, and now this push for EVs that are obviously not (yet) viable for the masses, be it due to price, range, difficulty of charging, is aimed to end private transport as we know it and the freedom it brings the masses. With less contact, people are less likely to rebel. Everything on internet and social media is much easier to dismiss as coming from a minority with strange ideas and not as much of a threat to whatever powers try to keep us under control.

[Kimbers]

1 hour ago, Escape said:

Very good points! Except for 6., most Western countries are pushing EVs, Norway and The Netherlands very strongly for example, but Belgium isn't far behind. It's not working here either, but nobody seems to mind...

But you @Escape are from one of the very few who are doing it and your view is coloured by those around you like Sweden and Holland.

Cyprus has 18 charge points for 2 million cars. many of the Eastern European countries pay lip service to the ruling but have openly told their citizens it won't happen. Russia and india say they will look at EV's at the earliest of 2070. China and USA 2050. Yet those few of us who listen to our idiot politicians pay the price and do very little to actually make ANY difference. Here in the UK we produce 1% of world Co2 and only 15% of that is vehicle created. It's all smoke and mirrors to hide tax and income for certain people, Govts and companies. 

If they REALLY cared for the environment they would look at those areas I mentioned, and also make laws on Fitting Solar Panels on new Housing and tighter building controls to use less power. They would stop building huge sprawling housing estates that use up hundreds of acres and build up instead (Why can't new first time buyers live in a Flats or apartments?), cutting down all the tree's and hedges and tarmac-ing over the arable land. 

I heard the other day that the UK has the lowest coverage of Woodland and tree's of any Eu country except Holland, with only 13% covered by tree's against the EU average of 38%. Yet we still cut down forests to build HS2 train tracks, build housing and allow anyone to cut any trees down they want (yes there are laws but they aren't well enforced).

It really infuriates me that they then do things like blame Climate change for destroying our natural world including small birds and animals, which, when you look at it statistically are actually dying out due to the huge number of cats on these housing estates that kill over 100 million a year! And its going up as more and more people move to the these estates!

[Escape]

Maybe my view is colored, but I did say 'Western', not talking about Eastern Europe (they always seem to be allowed to interpret the EU regulations just a bit different) let alone Russia or India.

I do totally agree that this emphasis on climate is mainly for the profit of the few, and has nothing to do with the environment. We are cutting trees to set up windmills and solar farms are turning the lands into deserts. I heard Germany has increased production of coal to ensure power generation, after shutting down their nuclear plants and wasting vast amounts on wind and solar. At least they're not planning to (re)open browncoal mines this time (not yet anyway). And like you say, so many other things could be done to benefit the environment, instead of raising taxes on private transport and pushing EVs.

As for woodland coverage, I'm sure that has more to do with the definition than actual greenery. No way Belgium is greener than UK, unless maybe you count all the neatly cut but dead lawns. As usual, statistics can prove anything. 😉

[JimmytheTurbo]

3 hours ago, Kimbers said:

I am NOT a conspiracy theorist but knowing what I know...

We are working on you.

 

Whats the difference between a conspiracy theorist and the mainstream media?...About 6 months 😅

[madmax]

The difference between a conspiracy theorist and the truth has moved to two to three months lately, at the most 🤣

[Rambo]

Storm Babet is here. Red alert warning. DO NOT drive your electric cars as they might stop working 🤣

You have been warned.

[drdoom]

As I've suggested here in prior posting one must suspect the true intent of this push to EV's is to reinvent the automobile industry on terms dictated by the West. The multi-polar reality of the present century is in this way partially addressed. The rest is smokescreen, as well outlined by those posting above.

Cheers

[exeterjeep]

Interesting comment in this interview from the Vertu motors chief

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/vertu-boss-warns-of-significant-valuation-issues-if-most-of-uk-follows-ulez-example/291771

The point was also made that it wasn’t too long ago that people were being told they should be in diesel vehicles but now they were having to sell them, and Forrester said: ‘We could have a long debate about the vacillations of government policy and I don’t think we’ve finished here.

‘I think over the next five or 10 years we’re going to see significant changes again in government policy probably as reality dawns.’

 

[exeterjeep]

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/bmw-will-launch-hydrogen-cars-by-2030-but-warns-uk-is-lagging-behind/291802

BMW is planning to roll out a series of hydrogen-powered production cars by the end of the decade – but the UK risks lagging behind.

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

We’ll still be able to roll them out. We just won’t be able to start them up! Maybe attach a horse or two?

[Kimbers]

I think I posted before that BP has made a commitment to an "Extensive Hydrogen refueling infrastructure" by 2030.

The reason is extensively because it is not viable at all, to have commercial EV's. Many of the Smaller van manufacturers are suffering from this right now. For example the Peugeot e-Expert has a range of 80 miles when loaded. And to do just those 80 miles it loses quarter of a ton of payload.

Imagine a 44 ton truck as an EV! Totally useless and the cost?????

So Hydrogen is the only option unless they keep ICE engines. 

To Convert to Hydrogen they need the infrastructure which has to be there or we all starve or grow our own food in window boxes. Now the only logical conclusion here is people/car makers are going to start saying "We have the Infrastructure, it's easier, cheaper to design, make and run and more useable, lets make Hydrogen cars".

The issue is then that currently the Govt's thinking is about 10 years behind car design and they haven't even considered Commercials! That's why Vertu's top man is saying there will be changes in Govt thinking over the next few years.

And I think at that time everyone here should vote for me.