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Lotus clearly in PR mode ahead of the float. Only scanned the posts above and hope I'm not duplicating, but today's Telegraph has a substantial article too.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/02/04/lotus-china-geely-electric-sports-cars-evija-ev-fast-lane/

Given that it's PR, pretty decent as far as I can judge. Strongly positive tone re Hethel, current and future, and openess about potential future issues in the West about cars made in China.

Worth a read.

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Maybe, time will tell. I am starting to think that I am out of kilter with the majority (nothing new there I suppose) but all this talk of electric, luxury, etc and I can't help but feel we are going

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Lotus staff got free hot drinks vending machines back in August, was a very welcome move and much appreciated from the people who work there. Sometimes the little things can make a big difference 👍

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Selling 6 cars instead of 5 in China would be a 20% increase. There really is nothing to celebrate at this moment in time beyond Lotus's survival but hopefully it will start to make some kind of sense

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Honda and GM have entered into a 50:50 on hydrogen fuel cells. BMW are launching a new X5 based on hydrogen fuel cells. 

I do think BEVs will be a part of the future, but, they are NOT the only future for sure.

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.................... hope I'm not duplicating, but today's Telegraph has a substantial article too.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/02/04/lotus-china-geely-electric-sports-cars-evija-ev-fast-lane/

19 hours ago, Bibs said:

Good exposure but awful article! 

 

Now read both, and IMO, The Telegraph article is far better. Includes comment on the Eletre's handing around bends and battery positioning in the 135!  PS: Now re-read the Tel one, and repeat that's really pretty good for a newspaper!

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They have a lot more cars than in the picture above.

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I sold my Geely shares last week. I bought them when Lotus was acquired, a totally uneducated punt. 

Complete disaster, 70% loss. I admired the Volvo turnaround but watching the last two years coupled with Polestar news, I've lost faith.

Thankfully my other two uneducated spives - Ferrari and Mondelez - have covered my G loss. Ferrari spectacularly so. I should probably sell. 

I'm not very good with shares and leave the serious investing to my broker. Geely is not on their 'buy' list. 

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1 hour ago, jonwat said:

Lotus wants its future sports cars to drive themselves :o

"For the Driver". 

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On 12/02/2024 at 09:57, Bibs said:

https://www.thelotusforums.com/latest-news/lotus-cars-news/h-r-owen-join-lotus-with-a-new-retail-centre-in-hatfield/

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That picture has really just hit home for me.

Not having much interest in electric cars the one on the end is the end of Lotus as we know it. 😕

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I despair, and whilst the future may be right for Lotus, increasingly Lotus is not in my future, if this is anything to go by.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/lotus-wants-its-future-sports-cars-drive-themselves?fbclid=IwAR2eWFr0it5vjY0ie5yqhf0YziBhwSF2kgx0khxWBdsPS4Q7XKic7cES8rM

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2 hours ago, Kimbers said:

"For the Driver". 

It's utter bollocks to be honest and Lotus just needs to stop the rhetoric as I don't think anyone really believes it anymore. But then that is just my opinion of course.

"Hyper" marketing tuned to shit.

Lotus is now all about Premium Luxury, high prices, and profit before anything. The slogan would be better as "For the Accountants".

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10 hours ago, C8RKH said:

I despair, and whilst the future may be right for Lotus, increasingly Lotus is not in my future, if this is anything to go by.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/lotus-wants-its-future-sports-cars-drive-themselves?fbclid=IwAR2eWFr0it5vjY0ie5yqhf0YziBhwSF2kgx0khxWBdsPS4Q7XKic7cES8rM

A view widely shared by most TLF users I suspect – but also more generally.

Stuart Gallagher, the EVO chief – author of the substantial review in the September issue that assessed the Emira I4 as “an inspiring last petrol-powered Lotus and a great sports car” – devotes his editorial in the current (March) issue to Lotus.  He concludes: "….. I worry that the Lotus Geely has saved won’t be the Lotus that we need.”

And if now potentially even a self-driving aspect, I believe he could and should have expressed himself far more strongly. My “Lotus future” is parked in my garage already.

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11 minutes ago, mdavies said:

I worry that the Lotus Geely has saved won’t be the Lotus that we want.

FTFY?

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My “Lotus future” is parked in my garage already.

Mine too, though I'll probably have an Emira at some point, too ;).

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FTFY? - Yes, as you say, indeed for me!  Needs vs wants quite a debating topic for some though perhaps!

I don't rule out an Emira for me either, but only a future version, not either present one whatever Stuart G thinks of them.

 

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On 13/02/2024 at 13:23, C8RKH said:

Lotus is now all about Premium Luxury, high prices, and profit before anything. The slogan would be better as "For the Accountants".

Sad but true I fear...

But can you name a car manufacturer that does differently?

I have made many mistakes in my life. Buying a multiple Lotus is not one of them.

 

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18 hours ago, Escape said:

Sad but true I fear...

But can you name a car manufacturer that does differently?

3 years ago I'd have replied"Lotus"!!

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19 hours ago, Escape said:

Sad but true I fear...

But can you name a car manufacturer that does differently?

Noble? Not sure if they had a financial wobble or do make money. 

Lotus should rightfully have disappeared many years ago..... the Elise, a truly remarkable achievement, kept the dream alive but reality bites and it is mass production or die. 

I don't think Geely have the right answer but the question is the same.

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Noble, Morgan, Caterham, TVR (if they ever actually build another car) seem likely suspects, but they're all either balancing on bankruptcy or seeking support from major players who will start to call the shots and end the dream.

As we discussed at Brooklands, it might be easier to build a handful of cars for selective (rich) customers rather than try to sell a few 100 or 1000 cars at a slightly lower price. Without actual benefits of scale it's hard to increase production without getting into all kinds of problems, both financially and regulatory.

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I absolutely agree with @jep. You need a mass market to survive in todays market. 

That being said there is absolutely no reason why that "mass Market" deal couldn't be on the likes of the Sunbeam and Carlton and in a way that is the route Lotus have gone down with the super Fast but mega heavy Electric SUV's.

Again, I will say, BUT, there is absolutely no reason why that has to be 100% BEV and it definitely doesn't preclude Lotus doing small market Sports cars "For the Driver", with Real Lotus DNA and ICE and Hybrid cars till 2035. Hybrid and PHEV are already added in and no longer going to be banned under EU law, on German Manufacturers insistence, just that the law "Currently" has a huge % of pure BEV. 

I believe they should relook at their branding. 2027 is a poor time to announce 100% EV especially when those of us in the Mass market Automotive world can see movement and changes regarding EV take up and useage happening almost weekly

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Good point on branding. Renault have really nailed this with Dacia, Renault and Alpine. Alpine I assume will be the new Renault Sport division - for the drivers. 

Justin 

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