Brexit

[Kimbers]

23 minutes ago, mayesprit said:

Democracy has already spoken in the 1st referendum. If we are subject to another referendum I personally will never vote in anything again as it will prove we are not living in a democratic Country anymore.

Or vote the most outragious party every time. Personally if it doesn't go through I will vote UKIP every single vote no matter what other policies they have or how uncomfortable they make me feel.

[JG220]

I struggle with the idea that a new vote would undermine democracy. 

Surely it strengthens it. The combination of new facts, 2 years of development and a divided parliament (worse, a parliament which has a majority of remain)  and people. 

It would give parliament clear direction on whatever outcome is chosen. 

 

[PaulCP]

4 hours ago, Kimbers said:

 

My suggestion is let May stay in. Agree her deal, then behind the scenes change PM to Reese Mogg or Johnson, tell the EU to F off and be done with it!

 

I have a different view on this. If May wins the “no confidence” vote then the perpetrators who engineered the vote should resign as MPs at the next election.

As for Reece Mogg, he represents everything about the Tories that the so called working classes despise. His overall body language and the way he speaks to the media is cringeworthy and to have him as leader of the party, IMO, is a sure way to ensure that Comrade Corbyn gets elected.

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

When we voted in the referendum it didn't give the options of 1) Remain or 2) stroke the egos of a small number of self-serving backbench Conservative MPs.

This could render the Conservatives unelectable next time round.

Edited December 12, 2018 by LotusLeftLotusRight

[oilmagnet477]

I wish the Political classes and to a large extent the media would stop referring to this as Teresa May's deal. IT IS THE EU's deal - end of. and the only one they will EVER agree to.

If Parliament cannot come together for the good of the Country and pass this deal (never looks likely!), then come the 29th March, the only option on the table (if the result of the referendum is to be respected) is to leave on WTO terms and be done with it - yes it will be painful for the UK BUT it will also cause the EU a nightmare. If the EU can't see this (and behave pragmatically regarding the Irish Border) then we should stick it to them once and for all.

I actually feel sorry for the PM - she (and her team) have at least stepped up to the plate and come up with something - however unpalatable it seems to be, NO ONE ELSE has offered a viable alternative (other than 'No Deal'). This sideshow of a leadership vote is an absolute disgrace - seems to me that there are some in the Tory party who are determined to kill off any remaining hope of ever being electable again. The alternative of a Corbyn Govt depresses me hugely but God help me, is the current shower worthy of my vote? NO!

[Barrykearley]

Being out of the EU and on WTO rules - won’t we be able to effectively ban vw Audi group cars until they can be proved to pass a strict UK type of testing?? 

We need to stick it up em now

[Dan E]

8 hours ago, Barrykearley said:

The streets of London will burn and I’m off to prison. 

I will be in Worcestershire, burning down chicken sheds,  but i guess that is probably taken care of after you left a few loose connections 😂

[mayevora]

20 minutes ago, Buddsy said:

Dianne Abbott has put her name forward as a contender if May does go...

 

buddsy

I’m sure one of the Mods is able to move this post to the TLF Jokes & Gags thread.😂

[pete]

1 hour ago, mayesprit said:

I’m sure one of the Mods is able to move this post to the TLF Jokes & Gags thread.😂

He is a moderator🤓

[mayevora]

20 minutes ago, pete said:

He is a moderator🤓

Ya don’t say lol 😆 That’s waisted sarcasm then.

[Andyww]

18 hours ago, SFO said:

. Apparently car components cross borders many times as they are built. 

 

If thats true the manufacturers need to get their act together. If they are doing things that way they deserve to fail. 

[Steve V8]

The Mrs and I watched the film "Darkest hour" this evening...

The similarities between those political struggles between Chamberlain and Churchill and the current situation are uncanny, I could easily have been watching a film about our current problems with the European dictatorship, we began to watch at 8 to avoid the current affairs, and bugger me the opening sketch was a vote of no confidence against Chamberlain. 

The general theme however...May 1940, Europe had been conquered by the nazzi machine, Belgium and Holland invaded, France surrendered, many politicians begging for Britain to negotiate a deal with the elitist dictatorship, Mousseline and Hitler offer to spare us of the oncoming invasion in exchange we give up our sovereignty. SOUNDS FAMILIAR DOESN'T IT? 

 

[Barrykearley]

We need to declare this deal is not suitable.

walk away - we have a backstop arrangement at the end of March. WTO rules.

be done - no more talking to them. At that point and that point only - they will be clambering to renegotiate with us and in London

[Barrykearley]

Bbc have dragged hesletine out of his coffin this morning.

awaiting tony Blair now

[Steve V8]

1 hour ago, Buddsy said:

A few days ago in this thread I asked if we were actually at war but didnt realise it?

I still feel perhaps we are if the EU will not let us leave is that not a modern twist on an invasion?

You're not wrong Buddsy, our referendum result was severe setback for the EU, they will now do everything in their power to destroy us to set an example to others.

Any deal is futile and would leave us defenceless against the retaliation we must expect. 

[Chillidoggy]

7 hours ago, Steve V8 said:

You're not wrong Buddsy, our referendum result was severe setback for the EU, they will now do everything in their power to destroy us to set an example to others.

Any deal is futile and would leave us defenceless against the retaliation we must expect. 

“Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.”

[C8RKH]

On 11/12/2018 at 13:39, ChrisJ said:

@duncx - We've already had a referendum for your No 1)

So if there was a further referendum, there could only be No 2..

 

 

 

 

I always thought a No 2 was shit!

[Barrykearley]

Only a matter of time and Bono together with Bob geldof will be back on the bbc telling us all we are doomed.

branson frankly gave up his right to comment publicly on the bbc when he decided he no longer wished to pay his taxes in the UK.

as an old fashion white working class male - I find myself completely not represented politically. Only a matter of time until the far right start to make massive leaps - it’s happened in most other EU countries - but strangely the bbc ‘forget’ to report this

[jonwat]

Headline in this morning's Times says it all!

EU humiliates May with refusal to budge on deal

Prime minister returns empty handed after Brussels strikes out demands over Irish backstop

[C8RKH]

2 hours ago, Buddsy said:

For a start what the crook Richard Branson know about running a business I don’t know? Has he ever run a business which makes a profit?

 

I actually think that is quite harsh and he has run several businesses that have made a profit, he has also been smart enough to know when to get out rather than to flog a dead horse which is a rare trait to be honest as for most, their ego's keep them running and running. He has also created a huge amount of employment and wealth for many people in the UK and beyond.  Having said that, I don't particularly like his politics and I detest people who "make it" and then swan off to a tax heaven to give the minimum possible back whilst still feeling they can have a valid point of view. The very same issue i have with many famous "scots" who go on and on about independence whilst living in "exile" and contributing nothing to Scotland's budget etc.

[pete]

I see Richard Branson has been dragged out for project fear by the BBC to tell people if there is a hard Brexit people couldn’t afford to go on holiday due to the falling price of the pound.

More to the point hopefully people won't go on holiday to any EU country and see how their economies cope with that

[Barrykearley]

I’d recommend not bothering holidaying in the EU

the Greek beaches are covered in old dingys and life jackets. France full of migrants desperate to get into the uk. German - full of angry far right skin heads. Spain - destitute and struggling to afford rotten tomatoes to throw at each other

[Neal H]

3 hours ago, Buddsy said:

The economics will be what they will be but Im confident in the UK we are a tiny nation who punches way above our weight. I think we will always be ok as thats who we are.

Fifth largest economy in the world. second largest in Europe. Too big to be ignored.

Not that you'd believe it listening to the media, BBC and 'experts'.

[C8RKH]

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[Barrykearley]

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