Roll Pins

[PAUL GURNEY]

Hi Chaps

Its a sunny Sunday morning so i thought i would remove the engine and gearbox.

Two hours in and every thing disconnected , except the roll pins  on the drive shafts. Question is they are in there good, how much force do i have to use and what's the best tool / kitchen implement  to use ?.

Every thing else came apart easily ( too my shock/ joy)  

[Steve V8]

Your joy could very quickly turn to pain if you jam something in or snap something off in those roll pins,  use the correct sizes of punch. Separate the driveshaft yoke only as a last resort.

[Chillidoggy]

If the driveshafts aren’t leaking, or you’ve had problems with them in the past, you might want to split them at the inner yoke and leave the output shafts in place. That way you keep the integrity of the seal. You need to release the rear lower link arm, get underneath the car and push the hub out with your boot. Reinstall in the same way. I’ve done this four times now, and I wouldn’t remove the output shafts.

 

[mike_sekinger]

If you do decide to remove the driveshaft pins, it's a good idea to punch them out in reverse.  Determine which side has the witness marks from the installation and punch to remove from the opposite end inner first and then outer.

[Sparky]

Roll pins come out only if absolutely necessary.  For engine/gearbox removal I always separate the spider and yoke.  Couple of minutes of very simple work.

[PAUL GURNEY]

10 hours ago, Sparky said:

Roll pins come out only if absolutely necessary.  For engine/gearbox removal I always separate the spider and yoke.  Couple of minutes of very simple work.

Cheers  Sparky 

Please explain more  

[Sparky]

Already summarised by @Chillidoggy above; the driveshaft simply pulls out of the yoke.  Undo the inboard rubber boot first, be prepared for some grease loss and keep things clean.  Quite simple if lower arm inboard is released.

[Chillidoggy]

1 hour ago, Sparky said:

Already summarised by @Chillidoggy above; the driveshaft simply pulls out of the yoke.  Undo the inboard rubber boot first, be prepared for some grease loss and keep things clean.  Quite simple if lower arm inboard is released.

If I may just add to the my learned friend's post above, a plastic bag secured with a cable tie over the end of the driveshafts and the yoke cups at the gearbox, will keep them all clean. If you need to move the car, pop the lower arm bolt back in temporarily and tie the driveshaft up with cable ties to the top arm pivot, or any convenient point.

[PAUL GURNEY]

11 hours ago, PAUL GURNEY said:

Cheers  Sparky 

Please explain more  

Cheers both

I was over thinking it, the lesson here is don't reply to a post when you have been to a BBQ all day and have a belly full of beer on-board  

[Chillidoggy]

1 hour ago, PAUL GURNEY said:

Cheers both

I was over thinking it, the lesson here is don't reply to a post when you have been to a BBQ all day and have a belly full of beer on-board  

On the contrary. The majority of Sparky’s best posts have been made under the influence of alcohol.

[PAUL GURNEY]

Hi all

Still struggling to remove the drive shafts, as you can see by the image i am nearly there but cant push the hub out any more to release the spider from the joke.

I have released the lower arm only? 

[Chillidoggy]

Try releasing the upper link as well.

[Barrykearley]

It needs a damn good tug 👍

[PAUL GURNEY]

Well i deserve a beer 

Its out, i would like to say it only took me 2 hours and was easy. But i would be lying!!!!!!!

What a performance, a lot of swearing, and standing back and scratching of the head

Thanks for the advice of those of you who offered it. 

I can only say taking an engine and box out on your own is something i might give a miss next time

Well now the real fun starts       

[snowrx]

If the bicycles are taking over the shop, where are the motorcycles?

Wish my engine was that clean coming out...

[Barrykearley]

Well done chap - 4hrs is my best time - it’s defo easier with a tractor loader and competent driver.

[PAUL GURNEY]

5 hours ago, snowrx said:

If the bicycles are taking over the shop, where are the motorcycles?

Wish my engine was that clean coming out...

The bicycles are all electric, its the future. I have done over 2000 miles on mine in the last year. The motorcycles are in my other garage.

I am going to try and get the engine a bit cleaner, i like the idea of having the charge cooler and cam covers powder coated.  

The gearbox needs a good clean, if any one knows what to use i would be interested to know 

[Barrykearley]

Hot pressure washer steam cleaner - and some acid cleaner 

[PAUL GURNEY]

22 minutes ago, Barrykearley said:

Well done chap - 4hrs is my best time - it’s defo easier with a tractor loader and competent driver.

It was a complete pain Barry, its not the first time I've started a job only to find the tool (crane ) i was using was not long 😕 

 

1 minute ago, Barrykearley said:

Hot pressure washer steam cleaner - and some acid cleaner 

This were i must have gone wrong before, used a steam cleaner but not the acid, what do you suggest?

[Barrykearley]

Dunno - Nobby had some special magic stuff - some aluminium cleaner.

but - when you clean anything it doesn’t stay shiney and clean for long unless you obsess over it. If I was going again - I’d just use a steam cleaner and detergent.