Emira Picture & Video Thread

[KJD]

Awaits comments like “I didn’t know there was a purple option”…

[Malcolm Feth]

A few shots from me from our session at Lotus Silverstone. 👍

 

 

[ramjet]

1 hour ago, Bibs said:

 

 

 

1 hour ago, KJD said:

Awaits comments like “I didn’t know there was a purple option”…

Wow! I didn't know there was a violet version!!!  

[TomE]

So it looks like the car being displayed at the Guangzhou Car Expo in China is another show car with electric motors and batteries rather than an AMG engined prototype as the Chinese motoring press had been suggesting:

https://b23.tv/IDgWYRr

The first show car is on tour in Europe, is RHD and doesn't have the LOTUS NYO badges.

[Bibs]

Great picture...

[Sparky]

Emira, I've just met a car named Emira...

[AK70]

Found this somewhere...

[C8RKH]

Now that is stunning!  Really stunning. That would tempt me into a FE order almost.

[Evotion]

Me too. Looks like a Satin Blue and goes so well with the gold wheels. A rare combo but works here. Damn.

[C8RKH]

I hope that the picture below makes sense!  Basically, i am no graphics god but I took the blue Emira picture above, then "pasted" over the top the toffee coloured GT410 that had been for sale in Central Lotus.  I was interested in understanding from a design perspective the difference between Emira and Evora.

As you can see, the two main differences are:

1. The top of the front bumper in the Emira is considerably lower than the Evora
 

2. The difference in positioning of the front wheels, with the Emira having a dramatically tighter wheel base. I can imagine that this will make a significant difference to how the Emira turns in over the Evora and should really make the Emira feel scalpel sharp.

I was also surprised that the Evora has an increased, higher, rear "ducktail" profile to the Emira, and that overall the Emira's roofline is lower too. The fact that the Emira is longer at the front makes me wonder how it will cope with sloped drives as this was a strong point of the Evora.

The overall shape of the Evora and Emira roof lines are remarkably similar and it shows the differences in the doors (look at the shut lines).  I'm sure someone talented (and with better software than Powerpoint) can do better, but to me, it is clear that the Emira is a design Evolution of the Evora. 

[exeterjeep]

8 minutes ago, C8RKH said:

it is clear that the Emira is a design Evolution of the Evora. 

I said that to the lotus guys on the stand at Goodwood, particularly after I bought the model one and looked at it from the side. I don't think they agreed though.

[C8RKH]

Yeah, cost the official line is it is a totally new car.....

Edited November 22, 2021 by Bravo73

[mg4lotus]

The Emira wheelbase is 2575 and the Evora wheelbase is 2575 so the picture overlay isn't accurate. If anything it might make your front overhang point more relevant.

[freefall_junkie]

1 hour ago, C8RKH said:

I hope that the picture below makes sense!  Basically, i am no graphics god but I took the blue Emira picture above, then "pasted" over the top the toffee coloured GT410 that had been for sale in Central Lotus.  I was interested in understanding from a design perspective the difference between Emira and Evora.

As you can see, the two main differences are:

1. The top of the front bumper in the Emira is considerably lower than the Evora
 

2. The difference in positioning of the front wheels, with the Emira having a dramatically tighter wheel base. I can imagine that this will make a significant difference to how the Emira turns in over the Evora and should really make the Emira feel scalpel sharp.

I was also surprised that the Evora has an increased, higher, rear "ducktail" profile to the Emira, and that overall the Emira's roofline is lower too. The fact that the Emira is longer at the front makes me wonder how it will cope with sloped drives as this was a strong point of the Evora.

The overall shape of the Evora and Emira roof lines are remarkably similar and it shows the differences in the doors (look at the shut lines).  I'm sure someone talented (and with better software than Powerpoint) can do better, but to me, it is clear that the Emira is a design Evolution of the Evora. 

I guess it depends what you mean by a design evolution of the Evora rather than totally new. The current BMW 3 series, the G20, doesn't look all that different to the previous F30 generation and the two share some engines, but there is no question is is an all new car. The Emira shares the V6 with the Evora, but it has a different chassis, front and rear sub frames, all suspension components, steering rack, electrical system, HVAC etc, etc. It clearly is an entirely new car in terms of all of its major components except the engine, even if the external design has some similarities. 

BTW according to the specs I have seen the Emira and Evora have identical wheelbases at 2575mm? Kinda feels like the Emira's should be shorter given the lack of rear seats, but apparently the rear bulkhead is further forward to allow for space and cooling needed for the I4 engine.

[mg4lotus]

The Emira length is 4412 and the Evora length 4394m which is 18mm difference. I think the images must have been taken from a different angle and giving a different perspective and scale.

The Evora approach angle was 11.5 degrees in earlier models becoming 10 degrees later. I don't know what the Emira approach angle is but wouldn't be surprised if it is similar.

[C8RKH]

As I said gents, I am no graphics god, however I am surprised @freefall_junkie that wheel bases are the same as at the Lotus Hamilton launch a big talking point was how much the front wheels had been moved back to sharpen the handling.

[freefall_junkie]

That is strange - 2575mm is the wheelbase given for the Evora and Emira on the Lotus website. Crossed wires somewhere.

One of the Lotus engineers I spoke to at the Hamilton event told me that the Emira chassis is significantly torsionally stiffer than the Evora which gave them a better platform to work with when tuning the suspension. No idea how they have managed that given that he sills are so much lower but their enthusiasm for how good the Emira will be dynamically seemed genuine.

 

[Hangar 111]

36 minutes ago, freefall_junkie said:

The Emira shares the V6 with the Evora, but it has a different chassis, front and rear sub frames, all suspension components, steering rack, electrical system, HVAC etc, etc. It clearly is an entirely new car in terms of all of its major components except the engine, even if the external design has some similarities.

🤔 You only have to change one minor aspect of the chassis for it to be a different chassis.  It's an evolution, not _all_ new.  Same as there were evolutions between Elise to Exige V6, etc.

6 minutes ago, freefall_junkie said:

the Emira chassis is significantly torsionally stiffer than the Evora which gave them a better platform to work with when tuning the suspension. No idea how they have managed that

I reckon sticking a bulkhead in the middle of the car should improve torsional stiffness.  Slightly different thing, but the 111 chassis is quite floppy until you put the SBAF/roll over bar on it.

Dave

 

Edited November 22, 2021 by Hangar 111

[mg4lotus]

Emira approach angle is 7.9 degrees according to the skeleton drawing.

[Eagle7]

4 hours ago, AK70 said:

Found this somewhere...

That was something I came up with and posted on LotusTalk when I was messing around with color changes.  Somebody else had done the gold wheels, and I did the body color.  I think the Emira would look stunning in this color.  If quality paint jobs weren't so expensive, I'd get Nimbus Grey and have mine painted like this.  I'm getting the silver forged wheels, so I may get the wheels done.  The above wheel color was actually a bronze gold.

Here is the original, plus one in red.  I think the wheel color works quite well on either of these colors.

Edited November 22, 2021 by Eagle7
word correction

[AK70]

Excellent job! Did not want to „steal“ your work. 😉

[Bibs]

[TomE]

9 hours ago, C8RKH said:

I hope that the picture below makes sense!  Basically, i am no graphics god but I took the blue Emira picture above, then "pasted" over the top the toffee coloured GT410 that had been for sale in Central Lotus.  I was interested in understanding from a design perspective the difference between Emira and Evora.

As you can see, the two main differences are:

1. The top of the front bumper in the Emira is considerably lower than the Evora
 

2. The difference in positioning of the front wheels, with the Emira having a dramatically tighter wheel base. I can imagine that this will make a significant difference to how the Emira turns in over the Evora and should really make the Emira feel scalpel sharp.

I was also surprised that the Evora has an increased, higher, rear "ducktail" profile to the Emira, and that overall the Emira's roofline is lower too. The fact that the Emira is longer at the front makes me wonder how it will cope with sloped drives as this was a strong point of the Evora.

The overall shape of the Evora and Emira roof lines are remarkably similar and it shows the differences in the doors (look at the shut lines).  I'm sure someone talented (and with better software than Powerpoint) can do better, but to me, it is clear that the Emira is a design Evolution of the Evora. 

Interesting to do a comparison overlay like this.  As others have said, the wheelbase is the same for Evora and Emira.  The Emira is longer overall.  It also has a wider rear track, so the V6 engine can be mounted lower and the supercharger doesn't need as much headroom, hence the higher ducktail on the Evora.  The i4 turbo is low down so needs space at the bottom rather than the top.

[Evotion]

Jeezuz, stop putting up pictures of the Emira in different colour schemes!! 

I am still not completely decided on my livery and this does not help! 😃

[AK70]

I stick to my opinion, that the FE colours are not the best idea from Lotus.

 

On 05/10/2021 at 09:55, AK70 said:

Really a pitty these FE colours...

Instead of the FE colours, I think these ones below would have been much better:

- Blue:  light blue metalic, Essex blue, Persian Blue, Midnight blue metalic
- Green: I like the Dark verdant, but Motorsport green or any lighter green would be nice
- Red: Why not the cool Fire red in the first place?
- Grey/Silver: Nimbus is certainly special, but why not a "normal" silver? The grey is grey, ok fine.

- Yellow: me like!
- Missing: Chrome orange, any other orange

Interior:
- Dark brown would be top

The Emira looks stunning in every colour, but with a more careful colour selection it would be an even greater success. Personal taste of course..

The design is stunning, no question about that. And I am sure it will drive like a Lotus. So everybody coming from other brands will be suprised how good it is 😉 And when I see the EU regulation regarding combution engine, I came to the conclusion that the Emira FE could quite possible be the last V6 from Lotus. This speaks strongly for a buy..

But for the Evora owners there are some points against it:

- It all comes down to the question if the Emira is better than the Evora for the price.

- Same engine and geabox (maybe lighter fly wheel?). The gear stick is longer, so probably no quick gear change. When I see the driving videos with Jenson or Harry's Garage, it alway looks a bit odd when the swich gear.. 😉
Maybe nothing wrong with that, but also no upgrade to Evora.

- Will it drive, feel, brake better than the Evora? They claim yes, but needs to be seen. I have until today not driven any car that was better in that respect (Porsches, Alpine, BMW etc..) and simply  c a n n o t   imagine that it will be better than the Evora. If so, they would have certainly managed to do a miracle .. 😉

Possible annoying details to live with:

- Approach angle less than Evora?? Hope not, I already have problems to get down into the garage with my Evora. If the Emira is worse in that, it would not be more useable..

- 5cm wider than the Evora does not help on narrow B road and the alps and parking/exit but maybe ok.

- Does the interior feel so special like the Evora? After all you spend your time inside the car and not looking at from the outside...

- Seems less pratical regarding luggage than my 2+0 Evora. Less room behind seats..

 I will see the Emira in flesh next week! So let's see if it changes my opinion 😉