What made you 'Shake your Head' today?

[tim_marra]

OMG that is sick. How on earth did he walk free?

[Kimbers]

2 hours ago, C8RKH said:

100% Agree.

Sorry Judge, I know I was disqualified and jailed 10 years ago for drink driving, but in those 10 years no one has supported me so whoops, I did it again. Can I go now.

Pathetic.

Agreed. But the monitoring of people on license is just another area that there is no one to do. If he had been done for something similar you'd like to think his internet would be monitored!! 

So my next one is not anywhere near as serious.

BUT!

When did we become such an awful bunch of namby pamby wooses that the Government issue a "Cold Weather Alert" across the UK for Temperatures that won't actually get any lower than 5 Degrees during the day and 1 degrees at night?

We didn't have a weather alert for -5 degrees 5 years ago!

[C8RKH]

11 minutes ago, Kimbers said:

When did we become such an awful bunch of namby pamby wooses that the Government issue a "Cold Weather Alert" across the UK for Temperatures that won't actually get any lower than 5 Degrees during the day and 1 degrees at night?

We didn't have a weather alert for -5 degrees 5 years ago!

Sadly, it has nothing to do with the real weather, and everything to do with "project climate fear" - I do believe there is an orchestrated program at play to "convince" us that we are all doomed unless we do as the bigwigs tell us and hand over all our money, and drink all their kool-aid.

[exeterjeep]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67861416

I told police who my burglar was - but they did nothing'

A woman whose home was burgled as she slept says the police would not question the man she had identified from CCTV as the offender.

Sarah Goode from Blackburn told BBC Panorama that officers "were not prepared to do anything".

The programme investigated further and found more CCTV - it showed the offender going in and out of her house.

 

[march]

Need to have a tv drama made about it before anyone will do anything.

Edited January 8 by march

[Bibs]

It is very poor that it's taken Netflix to highlight the issue with the PO which has been ongoing for 20+ years. Shame on the govt for ignoring it until it's brought to everyone's attention this way. 

[Kimbers]

2 hours ago, exeterjeep said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67861416

I told police who my burglar was - but they did nothing'

A woman whose home was burgled as she slept says the police would not question the man she had identified from CCTV as the offender.

Sarah Goode from Blackburn told BBC Panorama that officers "were not prepared to do anything".

The programme investigated further and found more CCTV - it showed the offender going in and out of her house.

 

But, this needs to be put into context! The article is about the strain the Police are under with such low figures per head of Population. much lower than a decade ago. Read the full article here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67861416

I am not defending the Police decision to close the crime. In this case I am pretty sure a conviction would have been supported by the CPS with all the CCTV evidence. But the case is, there just aren't enough officers to even respond, yet alone investigate all the crimes happening

[ramjet]

I spoke to a copper here at a station on nightshift one night. A very regional station and he happened to be one of two that night. The other guy was out in a car and this guy had to cover an area of which the furthest drive was about an hour. Needless to say, as he said, if I get a call from Lorne, I am only going down there to show attendance to back up their insurance claim. Another brand new station was also built near here, but wasn't opened for at least twelve months as they did not have the people to staff it.

[C8RKH]

1 hour ago, Kimbers said:

But the case is, there just aren't enough officers to even respond, yet alone investigate all the crimes happening

And yet Tony, as per the video I posted they could send 3 cars and 6 officers to a guy videoing in the street. Please explain how they could do that, but not investigate an actually crime with video evidence? This is where the Police do themselves no favours at all.

[Kimbers]

1 minute ago, C8RKH said:

And yet Tony, as per the video I posted they could send 3 cars and 6 officers to a guy videoing in the street. Please explain how they could do that, but not investigate an actually crime with video evidence? This is where the Police do themselves no favours at all.

Because priorities seem to be set by whatever is "trending" at the time. But how was that Video situation reported? Many Officers have gone on Blue lights to a suspected weapon being waved at the public yet when you turn up its a Neighbourhood dispute and its something as innocuous as a Mobile Phone. 

But the CCTV Burglary I am stumped by. I can't answer for the force as to why they decided to close the case.

[march]

To add a bit more context - I used to work for the Police in IT, the amount of short term decisions and waste during the short period I was there was phenomenal - the contract was one of the most profitable my employer had. It was a very depressing job.

To state how bad our local police are (and this does colour my views as well) - a neighbouring farmer was attacked and punched on his land by a neighbour, the police sent out a WPC who basically stated they wouldn't do anything and 'anyway what do you expect us to do about it'.

1 hour ago, Kimbers said:

But, this needs to be put into context! The article is about the strain the Police are under with such low figures per head of Population. much lower than a decade ago. Read the full article here:

So how come the Met are now looking into it - why not before, have they gained enough manpower all of a sudden or is policing now based upon media awareness?

 

 

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

If it’s not on screen, it never happened.

[PaulCP]

3 hours ago, Kimbers said:

But, this needs to be put into context! The article is about the strain the Police are under with such low figures per head of Population. much lower than a decade ago. Read the full article here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67861416

I am not defending the Police decision to close the crime. In this case I am pretty sure a conviction would have been supported by the CPS with all the CCTV evidence. But the case is, there just aren't enough officers to even respond, yet alone investigate all the crimes happening

I too get your point Tony but after witnessing 3 police motorcyclists rocking up at the drive through Costa I was in this morning, taking off all their gear, sitting inside having a nice warm coffee and still being there chatting 40 minutes later when I left, I do wonder how real this shortage of resources is. 🤔🤔

[Kimbers]

1 minute ago, PaulCP said:

I too get your point Tony but after witnessing 3 police motorcyclists rocking up at the drive through Costa I was in this morning, taking off all their gear, sitting inside having a nice warm coffee and still being there chatting 40 minutes later when I left, I do wonder how real this shortage of resources is. 🤔🤔

If they were on a training course, due to the pressures of Driving/riding courses they have to stop for an hour after a certain amount of time. It's highly likely they weren't on operational duty on bikes at this time of year and if they were it would likely have been escort duty and were waiting for their load to turn up. 

What you see and the reality are often totally different. 

I was once criticised by a member of the public for sitting in a Maccy D's for half an hour, nursing a coffee, with my crew partner, at 9am in the morning. I had been on duty since 5PM the previous day and attended a very traumatic Helicopter crash for much of the night. I wasn't going anywhere till I had had a coffee and stopped shaking from the come down of adrenelin. 

[pete]

Caledonia (France)	268	100	[4] 2012
New Zealand *	14,899	289	[77] 2022
Niger *	8,700	42	[78] 2012
Nigeria *	300,000	160	[79] 2012
Niue (NZ)	16	1,088	[4] 2012
Northern Ireland * (UK)	6,813	362	[80] 2015
Norway *	10,170	189	[81] 2019
Palau *	75	418	[4] 2012
Palestine *	85,000	1,565	[82] 2005
Panama *	12,000	315	[83][84] 2012
Pakistan *	1,128,000	579	[85] 2011
Papua New Guinea *	5,311	65	[4] 2012
Peru *	104,000	330	2009
Philippines *	220,000	208	[86]2019
Pitcairn Islands (UK)	2	3,509	[citation needed] 2015
Poland *	100,000	259	[87] 2012
Portugal *	46,083	446	2012
Romania *	60,000	304	[88] 2014
Russia *	800,000	545	[89] 2016
Saint Barthélemy (France)	11	117	[90] 2012
Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha [c] (UK)	69	924	[91] 2012
Saint Kitts and Nevis *	450	974	[92] 2012
Saint Lucia *	947	509	[93] 2012
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines *	691	628	[94] 2012
San Marino * [d]	160	485	[95][96][97] 2012
Scotland * (UK)	17,296	318	[98] 2014
Sint Maarten (Netherlands)	370	967	[99] 2012
Samoa *	1,027	527	[100] 2023
Serbia *	45,000	636	[101] 2012
Singapore *	11,981	200	[102] 2022
Slovakia *	21,734	398	[103] 2019
Slovenia *	7,170	340	[104] 2017
Solomon Islands *	1,442	225	[4] 2012
Somalia *	5,532	43	[105] 2012
South Africa *	193,000	345	[106] 2019
South Korea *	116,678	226	[107] 2017
South Sudan *	52,000	429	[108] 2012
Sri Lanka *	89,000	424	[109] 2012
Spain *	249,907	534	2012
Eswatini *	4,164	368	[110] 2012
Sweden *	20,423	198	[38][111] 2019
Switzerland *	17,630	211	2012
Taiwan *	64,816	273	[112] 2019
Thailand *	230,000	338	[113] 2012
Turkey *	484,000	615	2012
Tonga	418	414	[4] 2012
Togo *	4,000	56	[114] 2012
Trinidad and Tobago *	6,500	482	[115] 2012
Tunisia	15,000	131	[116][circular reference]2017
Tuvalu *	72	677	[4] 2012
Ukraine *	152,000	356	[117] 2014
United States *	700,000	243	[118] 2019
Uruguay *	30,000	862	[119] 2015
Vanuatu * [e]	575	207	[4] 2012
Vatican City *	130	15,439	[120] 2012
Wallis and Futuna (France)	20	170	[4] 2012
Zimbabwe *	50,000	351	[121] 2007
Total	12,435,974	154	—

1. ^ Excluding zones 

[ChrisJ]

?

[exeterjeep]

List of countries and dependencies by number of police officers

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_number_of_police_officers

[yeller77]

Country or defence	Number of officers	Rate (per 100k people)	Year
Vatican City *	130	15,439	[120] 2012
Pitcairn Islands (UK)	2	3,509	[citation needed] 2015
Palestine *	85,000	1,565	[82] 2005
Montserrat (UK)	76	1,544	[72] 2012
Monaco *	500	1,302	[71] 2012

 

Aha! I knew Vatican city was a police state! The uniform budget for Swiss guards must be celestial!

[ramjet]

It doesn't look like we have any police in Australia then?

[pete]

264 per 10,000

[Chillidoggy]

The two coppers on Pitcairn Island must be rushed off their feet.

[pete]

so the ex ceo of the post office has handed back her cbe but what about the bonus she was paid and now it has been revealed that the post office were told there were problems with the software and hardware in 2003 why hasnt the then ceo adam crozier been questioned. Nothing to do with him going from thepost office to ITV who made the programme

[oneshot]

Although she has handed it back - she still officially has it.

From the BBC website:

"People can indicate they would like to renounce their honour, as Ms Vennells has now done - but doing so has no formal effect. Until the King is advised by the Forfeiture Committee and acts on its advice, Ms Vennells will continue to hold her CBE."

Source: 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67925304

[C8RKH]

The real issue for me, with Vennells, is that it highlights that once you get into the "CEO Club", it doesn't matter how good a job you do, or don't do, it just opens the doors for you to continue to move into jobs at that level. It is almost as though due diligence, which you would expect to be done forensically at these levels, just does not happen.

Also, with regards to Fujitsu, they have a long list of public sector failed projects, or projects with "issues". They were involved in the disastrous "data" for the NHS programme in England and Wales, called SPINE. The project was eventually cancelled and Fujitsu sued the British Government and won £700m!  Hard to believe we had to pay for a failed project. Hopefully we get that £700m and more back re Horizon! Before the Post Office gets a dime of any settlements, the public purse needs to be reimbursed fully, including the cost of the enquiry.

I've worked in IT since 1985, and I am neither surprised, nor amazed, at the failures with Horizon. Just about every large public IT system ever installed has had numerous issues. The surprising thing is that despite this litany of failures, the public sector continues to buy in the same way (at what point when you've been hitting your head against a wall for 20 years do you realise you need to find a different way to knock it down?) and from the same companies that have delivered the failures.

It actually, on the one hand makes me feel ashamed of the industry and profession I have worked in for so long, and the on the other, just confirms my long held view that a lot of the highly paid IT consultants are shite. I've seen them and their work first hand, most of them wouldn't last 5 minutes in any other industry.

[ramjet]

On 09/01/2024 at 19:33, pete said:

264 per 10,000

And I reckon I have seen about four of them. Very rare apparently.

Much like the rare spoon billed, four winged, splayed foot Bulu.