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[drdoom]

2 hours ago, Rambo said:

I'm still waiting for all these e-vehicles changing the climate and giving us a half decent summer for a change 🤔

We'll not live long enough to see that mate.

 

On 14/07/2023 at 01:33, Kimbers said:

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And this is in the white paper for the Govt on charging EV's and how they will recover the tax they will lose on Petrol. But looking at those rates, it will make driving even more expensive and it's already nearly twice as expensive at peak rate already!!  There are so many nasty things coming on EV use that I really do doubt whether households on lower wages will be able to afford to drive? Now if you were a Conspiracy theorist you may say "Isn't that the end game?" Everyone sitting in their houses or paying taxes just to survive, not being able to go out whenever they want?

There will also be no environmental discount for company car users.

There's more than a spot of truth in @Kimbers musings. The traffic congestion anywhere near metropolitan areas is already verging on crisis while government policy on population is "Bring it on."

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

Despite the world stopping turning for a year or so due to COVID, we’re still getting record temperatures around the globe. So if an extended period of no cars on the roads, no ships at sea and no planes in the sky didn’t make any noticeable difference, what climate change improvements can we expect when the ICE ban on new cars comes into effect? Bugger all is my guess.

[Rambo]

Correct in one 🤔

[C8RKH]

Interesting when you look at the pictures and the date. You can see how the brain washing is real. Yes, climate change is real too, but.....

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

 

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.32FV7W7
 

Really, picking one specific date from two of the past 6 years with temperatures a few degrees apart and a different map colour system is hardly scientific, is it?

[DarrylV8]

I think I prefer the warm weather from June 2017, what happened to global “warming”?

[Bibs]

1 hour ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

Really, picking one specific date from two of the past 6 years with temperatures a few degrees apart and a different map colour system is hardly scientific, is it?

The point is that the map showing cooler temperatures now looks like the world is going to end as it's all bright red and a few years ago it was just showing the weather, rather than impending armageddon. I'm sure the Met Office send out some warning almost every day now; it's hot, it's cold, it's windy. It's just weather, we've been fine just dealing with it for a long time without named stormed, beasts from wherever they come from etc. 

[C8RKH]

2 hours ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

 

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.32FV7W7
 

Really, picking one specific date from two of the past 6 years with temperatures a few degrees apart and a different map colour system is hardly scientific, is it?

You missed the point totally.

The point is the temperatures on the older picture are hotter, yet the screen graphics are green. The temperatures on the second picture are lower, yet the use of reds and oranges makes you "believe" that the temperatures are higher and the situation is worse. It's how the news and governments are brainwashing us. Or maybe they just decided to change the colours for fun?

[Rambo]

Totally agree Bibs. We get "yellow, be aware" warnings every day here, irrespective of what is occuring.

We learn to live with it and we get on with it. As you say, it's "just weather" 🤔

PS actually I do take note of the weather. If rain, sleet or snow are due I take the Evora. If it's sunny and dry I take one of the M100's. 

[drdoom]

Just watching Al Jazeera news for a moment, noting their presentation of weather utterly lacked colour coding yet holding forth on the record highs currently on in many regions. Agree with concerns here on the brainwashing flavour of news, it's something I'm ever watchful for particularly when bothering to view it on TV. I've a further concern we have arrived at an era of unhealthy symbiosis between government and big biz, well on show as we're dealing with in the present discussion.

[C8RKH]

1 hour ago, Rambo said:

We get "yellow, be aware" warnings every day here, irrespective of what is occuring.

That's why the SNP logo is yellow, so we can easily recognise the danger.

[Rambo]

And why the "Ginger Whinger's" hair is orange/red.

Be aware, imminent danger !!

[Kimbers]

Just to prove a point this is the conclusion of a study on colour use in maps and the way it distorts perception. Now this is a Scientific Paper about how the colour palette is so important to be uniform and not "Rainbow". Therefore a Map of the earth should use Blues, Greens and Browns to show a neutral background to the information being displayed or else the information becomes secondary to the colours and therefore distorted from the real information being displayed.

I find the fact that you can display one example of what @C8RKH is bad enough but there are hundreds more on the same theme. And yet when you look online all you see is denials, people  calling you irresponsible or that you are dinosaur and that it's fake when it's plainly not. It's kinda like being virtue signalled for pointing out other true things that are not considered PC to mention. 

Now, where was I? Oh yes scientific paper on presentation of information not being biased by colour images.

"The importance of colour to prevent data distortion

Vision is one of the most fundamental means of communication. It is (or should be) in every scientist’s best intention to make figures and their content as accurate and easily understandable as possible. One of the most powerful aspects of images is colour, which in turn transforms information into meaning. The visual evaluation of a colour gradient is important to a variety of different fields such as the first direct impression of a black hole1, the mapping of votes cast in political elections2,3, the planning of an expensive rover route on Martian topography4, the essential communication of climate change5,6, or the critical diagnosis of heart disease7. However, when colours are used incorrectly, this can lead to the effective manipulation of data (e.g., by highlighting some data over others), the oversight of the needs of those with colour vision deficiencies, and the removal of meaning when printed in black and white (Supplementary Note 1).

As science has become more prevalent in mainstream culture, it is not only the scientific community that suffers due to the use of poor colour choices, but also the wider public. Colour maps, therefore, are a crucial intersection between science and society. For instance, weather forecasts and hazard maps are two examples of immediately societal-relevant data sets that are also repeat offenders for use of the rainbow-like colour maps. Given the (daily) importance of these scientific topics, the underlying data should be conveyed in a universal manner.................................

..................Lots of data here thats boring....................

Scientific data should be displayed without the addition of visually artificial features or subtraction of real details, while also being universally readable and intuitive. A perceptually uniform colour map weights the same data variation equally all across the dataspace, while other colour maps (such as rainbow) interpret some small data variation to be more important than others (Fig. 3). For such unscientific, perceptually non-uniform colour maps (like rainbow), the interpretation is performed blindly (i.e., by the colour map instead of by the author) as the author or reader is not aware of the exact visual distortion that is introduced by the colour map (Fig. 3). Any scientific study drawing conclusions from a given set of data is, therefore, strongly dependent on the perceptual uniformity of the colour palette applied and, with it, author and reader become captive to a blind interpretation (for various examples, see Supplementary Note 1). Such a colour-introduced blind interpretation can diverge from an objective representation by more than seven percent of the displayed data variation30 (Fig. 3e–f). A flat slope on Mars can become visually distorted by the most prominent local gradients in colour rather than data, and then appears like rough terrain, while rough terrain conversely might be interpreted as a flat slope (compare Supplementary Fig. 7a, b), which is suboptimal with regards to a Martian exploration."

[C8RKH]

16 hours ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

 

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.32FV7W7
 

Really, picking one specific date from two of the past 6 years with temperatures a few degrees apart and a different map colour system is hardly scientific, is it?

Just picking up on this (not picking on you) but I googled the average July temperature for Hamburg - on the map it is shown in red as 22c, and yet the average temperature for Hamburg in July is 23c.  It really is about putting the fear of god into people.

As I have said earlier, I am not a climate change denyer, BUT, the hysteria and miss information that is peddled by news agencies, governments and others is not helping. Fear paralyses people and if you scare them too much they're not able to act. Even one of the co-founders of Greenpeace is on record as saying a lot of the climate claims are bullshit.

We need to cool the planet down. But given the population has exploded over three times in 60 years (from 2.5bn in 1976 to over 8bn people - so in the lifetime of most on this forum!) what do we think the answer really is?  I'll give you a clue, it's got naff all to do with cars, and everything to do with people - we need fewer people being born, we need more people dying faster. Harsh, but true. And yet no-one, absolutely no-one, in positions of power or authority will say it.  Why? 

People will scoff and laugh, but why bring so many children into a world which is literally going to kill them?

Why do we continue to breed like rabbits when we can't feed, clothe, educate, or protect hundreds of millions of these children?

Why do we think it is our right to have kids? It's not. It's a choice.

Given 99.9% of us have no hereditary title or lands to hand on to them, what's the point?  Who gives a flying fig if your particular branch of the family tree dies out? Does it really matter? I mean does it really matter?  Of course not. Oh, and we're past the point of needed to have 6 kids cos 5 will die and the human race will then be wiped out. It's the future, not bloody neanderthal or medieval times for christ's sake. And whilst I am being controversial, why is it that what seems like the most shitty parents around are the ones that have loads of kids - uncontrolled, undisciplined, unfed, and, harsh to say, largely really, truly, unloved! (and by the way, I'm talking about the upper middle class parents who spend all their time on the gin, at parties, etc..... - all the dosh but no idea how to really parent).

If we are serious about fixing the planet than fixating on cars and stuff is like playing chess as your house burns down around you.

Scaremongering about the weather is about as much use as pissing on a raging forest fire.

If we really want to save the planet, then we need  strategies to reduce consumption AND the population (naturally of course, not by building camps....).  The older I get the more I realise just how much stuff that I have surrounded myself with that is superfluous. Whether trinkets from holidays, or a new phone (why? the old one was still fine, but of course the security updates stopped after a couple of years to "force" me to buy a new one).

This constant drive to force consumers to throwaway and buy, to ensure that the CFO's and CEO's make obscene bonuses is what is going to kill us. Governments love it as they get taxes from the workers making the stuff. They get taxes from the companies making the stuff. And they get taxes (VAT) from the punters buying the stuff. It's like a drug. It's like governments and businesses are drug addicts, addicted to crack and shit, and desperate for their next tax take.  

And where does this money go?

We used to have parks with wonderful flower beds, well kept bowling greens, tennis courts etc. These days, they're largely grass, with broken pavements, overgrown flower beds (now conveniently called wide flower beds - hah! - weed infested unloved beds more like).

Our streets are dirty. Broken pavements. Battered roads. Litter everywhere.

Schools are falling down. Hospitals and clinics are crumbling.

We could go on and on. But do need to start to ask ourselves where is the money going and what are we getting for it.

Anyway, want to fix the planet. Stop having babies. Stop buying shit you really do not need and that has no practical purpose. Re-use. Recycle. Fix and mend. In short, think about how your grandparents lived and take a leaf out of their book. You'll have a bigger impact on the planet than buying any overpriced, new, raw materials rich, E-fooking-V!

[Rambo]

I remember 55+ years ago as a lad growing up in Herefordshire we used to get some extremely long, hot summers (30+°C) and some long, cold winters with temps. down below -10°C and 6 foot snowdrifts.

No one banged on and on about climate change or global warming.

We called it weather. Simply summer and winter and got on with life 🤔

[Kimbers]

1 hour ago, C8RKH said:

People will scoff and laugh, but why bring so many children into a world which is literally going to kill them?

Why do we continue to breed like rabbits when we can't feed, clothe, educate, or protect hundreds of millions of these children?

 

Simple answer?

Taxes.

As we get a higher portion of older population, that are currently paying the majority of taxes, where do world Govts get not only the replacement tax money when they retire, but the money to pay them in their retirement including their health needs!

Taxes. 

More young people working more tax in the govts pocket...... wherever it goes.

[cor]

C8RKH  is 100% right,

we think we can engineer ourselves out of this but the only thing is that we are digging a deeper hole for our childrens children.

 

[C8RKH]

You're right @Kimbers re the taxes. Of course we need young people to care for the old, and we need taxes to pay for it. But that is the developed world.

Maybe what we do is we stop anyone in the "developed" world from having a child. We then take the children from the not-developed work. We nurture them. We look after them. We educate and train them. And they work.

We're getting into a whole area of spooky ethics here, but think about. 1 person in the developed world consumes 10-12 times (possibly more) than one in the non-developed world. |We are the issue. So we need to be stopped from reproducing in excess. Yes, like China did, we need a solution that goes one step further. A woman can have one child. A father can have one child. Then sterilisation.  Yikes!  There you have it. The rabbits need to be stopped from breeding, and we, in the developed world are the most damaging rabbits so we need to be "controlled".

I know. I know. It's a tough message. But if we allow the population to continue to spiral out of control then all of us. Everyone of us. And our children. Our grandchildren. And their children. Are doomed!  Sorry. Tough message.

@cor thanks. Yes, the whole is now being dug by 8 billion hands, 60 years ago only 2.5 billion hands were digging it. It's not rocket science.

[Chillidoggy]

20 hours ago, Rambo said:

I remember 55+ years ago as a lad growing up in Herefordshire we used to get some extremely long, hot summers (30+°C) and some long, cold winters with temps. down below -10°C and 6 foot snowdrifts.

No one banged on and on about climate change or global warming.

We called it weather. Simply summer and winter and got on with life 🤔

We didn’t have the use of social media to moan about it, though!

[C8RKH]

I found this to be rather interesting. 

"A change in measurement standards": Across the globe, we are witnessing the shattering of "heat records" at present. However, it's important to note that these records have been achieved through a change in measurement standards. The European Space Agency (ESA) has now adopted Land Surface Temperatures, instead of air temperatures at 2 meters above the surface, which means past records have been redefined. Consequently, these temperatures may not be true record-breakers in the traditional sense, except in the short-term context. ESA clarifies that the displayed map reflects the actual temperature of the land surface, which tends to be significantly hotter than air temperatures. Modifying the measurement procedure with the intent of achieving a "record high result" can be seen as deceptive, akin to dishonesty, and a betrayal of trust. If the media and their affiliations with organizations like WEF, IPCC, and UN resort to falsehoods to create fear and garner attention from society, it casts doubt on the sincerity of climate activists' intentions.

[Escape]

I've often asked the question, but never got an answer, just how temperatures from centuries or even millennia ago were measured to be comparable to today (or the recent past) to produce all those graphs of doom showing global warming. I know soil and ice samples can give an indication of the average temperature in that period, but I'm not convinced those numbers can be used in a direct comparison to today, with temperatures recorded either in a thermometer shack or (as above) by satellites measuring (more likely extrapolating) surface temperature. We have one of those graphs going back to 2000BC or something in our office. I've been very tempted to add a big red line at 1714, when Fahrenheit invented what is considered the first reliable scaled thermometer. Everything before must surely be guesswork?

Thinking about it, I'm very unhappy about the way management treated me recently, so maybe this is the time to actually do it. After all, I'm only adding factual information, no one can object to that, right?

[JimmytheTurbo]

I understand it depends what data set you use but didn't Global temperature records start in the late 70s? So what they are saying is hottest (Surface temp) since 1978?

 

Ive just flown in from a lovely week in Spain and it was 26-28 although Barcelona was 32

I looked at booking Turkey but when I asked friend who goes there each year what the beaches were like they told me they stay inside the hotel as its too hot to go out side!!

I looked at the map and obviously the further East you go on the Med it get hotter, so I settled on Spain. I mean Ive never been to Spain in summer and thought "You know what would make it better?  If it could be a little bit warmer."

 

I see the BBC had said parts of Italy were 48 but then their own weather app had temps in the same place at 37.

 

For me its all fear porn from the nudging unit pushing us to accept their agenda.

[C8RKH]

4 minutes ago, JimmytheTurbo said:

I looked at booking Turkey but when I asked friend who goes there each year what the beaches were like they told me they stay inside the hotel as its too hot to go out side!!

I love going to Turkey, but to be honest, I tend to go in the Autumn - got 10 days booked in a lovely place near Dalaman (only 15 minute from airport) this October. It will be high 20's to low 30's for the duration and the sea will be super warm so that's where I'll spend most of the day - floating about in the surf like a whale looking to beach itself. I usually send WWF/Friends of the Earth and Greenpeace an email to inform them in advance to save them coming out to try to rescue the whale....

But then, I wouldn't go anywhere in Southern Europe in July/August as it would just be too hot for me to enjoy it and the sun just burns you even with cream on - and I'm not a ginger minge whitey!

 

[Kimbers]

1 hour ago, JimmytheTurbo said:

I looked at booking Turkey but when I asked friend who goes there each year what the beaches were like they told me they stay inside the hotel as its too hot to go out side!!

I often go to Cyprus, which is always circa 40 degrees July and August. It suits me down to the ground. 3 years ago before lockdown we were there in a "Heatwave", yes they did happen before now, and went for a 5 mile walk in 45 degree heat. Water and a hat. It was lovely. Got really sweaty but everyone walking to the ancient site enjoyed it.

To back up Jimmy, a good friend of mine Salvatorre, lives in Sardinia where many new reporters are based. They are reporting record temperatures and people dying. But Torre says its just as hot as it always is and has been in the 50 years since he was a kid. He refutes the 46-8 degree reporting saying its mainly 36-40, their normal temperature. He remembers it being 40 degrees all summer as a kid and they didn't have Aircon then. He says if anything its a couple of degrees hotter right now and the people "in Danger" are all idiot tourists who aren't prepared with basic measures like a hat, suntan lotion and plenty of water. All of his mates are also piping up on his FB feed and agreeing saying this is all Hype to fix an agenda on them and tax them more for "Enviromental" issues. 

By the way Torre still runs or cycles 20 miles every day.

[drdoom]

Well today will mark the 34th consecutive day of no measurable rain here in Vancouver, formerly thought of as rain forest territory. This is not greatly atypical of our summer for the most recent year or two but far from what was experienced when I was a kid in the '60's. This town was routinely rain freshened year round over many decades, now sees extended periods of drought at times in the 3 warmer seasons. Hollywood North the film industry types started calling Vancouver quite some years ago, now it applies in terms of weather.