Coronavirus

[Barrykearley]

Which makes it more ridiculous frankly @LotusLeftLotusRight. None of this is making sense anymore. 

For the record I’ve followed the rules to the absolute letter so far. Some folks however  won’t be able to carry on doing so.

[scotty435]

Good to know you are not a fcutard Barry, yet you are happy to support people to break the lockdown rules. What do you mean some folks won’t be able to carry on doing so ?

[Barrykearley]

Self employed, gig workers, pub workers the list goes on and on. 

Not all are being protected within the furlough payments. These schemes also don’t guarantee job protection either - just keep watching the unemployment figures rise - all the while many will get nothing on the welfare systems in place. Once funds have gone people’s behaviour will change. Doley scroungers are fully protected however. 

[C8RKH]

I do agree with you @Barrykearley that not everyone can continue. Many companies too cannot continue and whilst some are adapting, some radically, others are closing and folding. It's a fine line we are treading and we need to make sure we employment and strong companies as we come out of this otherwise the NHS will quickly run out of funds.

I know it's probably not like me to be serious, but the issue is that people have been bending the rules, being silly, and being selfish. That behaviour will and is killing people. It is spreading the virus. It is prolonging the suffering for everyone. I don't understand why tgey cannot see that 

[Barrykearley]

I make no argument about the fact folks have been flouting it. That I’m not in control of.

I am however in control of my destiny - and I’m afraid in the future I will not allow the government to cause my family to suffer. I’m guessing there are thousands of people like me now I’m afraid - many will have no choice.

All the way upto now I have been fully compliant with every rule - my turnover and profits have collapsed - I am very fortunate and it’s just made me lazy and has given me time to smash jobs at home. I cannot carry on with that forever though - I’ll get fat (ter) and frankly my mental health will go down the swanny. 

[mg4lotus]

3 hours ago, C8RKH said:

drop the T, it's silent you know!

That's not going to happen, especially if it's proper Yorkshire tea made with proper Yorkshire water

[eeyoreish]

11 hours ago, Barrykearley said:

I am however in control of my destiny - and I’m afraid in the future I will not allow the government to cause my family to suffer. I’m guessing there are thousands of people like me now I’m afraid - many will have no choice.

As Lord Sumption said in his YouTube lecture; never, even in wartime has peoples liberty been curtailed as it is being now and the right to see your family at Christmas (or at any other time) should not be something that is granted by Ministers out of the goodness of their hearts. In reality, as he said, many people will see the continuing removal of their basic freedoms as morally wrong and will simply ignore those rules. 

At the moment fear seems to be the lever Government is using to maintain compliance but as people realise that lock downs are probably not the answer (nor is meeting their families a primary cause of rising infections) much wider non conformance will be seen. You simply can't keep people under house arrest ongoing, at some point the worm will turn.

[Kimbers]

@Barrykearley I am with you. My boss told me weeks ago, that if we have another lockdown, half our franchises won't survive, especially the Airport based rental companies. Half our franchises means half our staff. Its a real worry.

How on earth you can be worried about the spread yet leave young people to mix at school and colleges and then go back to their homes to spread it even further is madness! Either lock down or don't! 

I drove past Hethersett High School last week during leaving time and I didn't see a single mask and there was definately no social distancing!

 

[Kimbers]

[red vtec]

Having had to watch my Father die in hospital and then a year later to hold my Mothers hand as she passed away whilst connected to life-support, though not COVID related, the current pandemic would not even give you this modicum of relief. I would not wish this on anyone or the fact that you or your loved ones might pass away with no family available. I would advise you all to obey the rules, wash your hands, wear a mask and stay at home as much as possible. The current rules and lockdown are to relive strain on NHS and ICU units allowing them to cater for "normal" stuff such as car accidents, complications from operations etc...If the beds are filled with COVID cases there wont be capacity for this. We have a friend who has just be diagnosed with Cervical cancer, God help us that her treatment will not be affected by all of this.

By the way our local Weatherspoon's has had a COVID outbreak.

This situation is not unique to the UK, just look at Europe. It's not 5G, Agenda 21, New world order etc... it's a pandemic. 

[Barrykearley]

@Kimbers the media and government are portraying that people are being financially protected - the truth is very far removed from that.

@red vtec you are absolutely correct. We’ve been sticking by the rules no matter how daft they seem - life seems to be ebbing by and for some it’s becoming not worth living. Folks on here have been quick to blame the young - those forced back to school and uni only to be the scapegoats for the rest of society. Only yesterday my eldest was slagged off in a petrol filling station by an old woman not wearing a mask blaming the youth for the restrictions. The older generations can be seen all over simply ignoring restrictions - not all I hasten to add - but it’s not just the young being wreckless.

Pandemic - yes it is indeed. But it’s also a pandemic of misinformation, panic and fear - all the while everyone is ignoring the route cause.

[Barrykearley]

it gets worse - my eldest was told by the receptionist at her uni hall today when she saw her putting a bag in her car - security comes at 5pm today - if you are going to leave get gone ASAP and before they arrive. What the fuck is going on

[mayevora]

I wasn’t allowed to say anything until today, but it's now okay for me to share that I have volunteered for the Covid-19 vaccine trials that a local Hospital are running in partnership with Pfizer. It's important that we all do our part to beat this virus.
The vaccine is the one that has been developed in Russia. I received my first dose this morning 06:20 am, and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι я чувю себя немного стрно и я думю, что вытл осные уши. чувству себя немго страо.

[C8RKH]

Most people run a mile from a Russian injection! 

Good to hear though that the vaccines are being trialled and well done for volunteering. I don't think my Merlot levels would work with a vaccine but so far it does seem to be keeping the Covid at bay. 

[Bibs]

Just to clarify some of today's news - The R number is pretty much under 1 in England and hospital beds are the lowest occupancy since 2010 and we're going into lockdown 2 on Thursday?! 

[Sparky]

Spoke last night with my son-in-law who's a manager at UCH in London.  He says he's a bit short on staff, but critical care bed availability is normal for the season (beds are available), and hasn't changed appreciably for a few weeks.

[Kimbers]

Reckon they are being paid off by Amazon!!

[PaulCP]

We heard from a relative who is a nurse at a hospital ooop Norf that their problem is not a shortage of beds but a shortage of staff. She also said that the local Nightingale Hospital is there ready & waiting, but whilst it has beds and equipment there no staff to be able to man it.

[Barrykearley]

38 minutes ago, PaulCP said:

She also said that the local Nightingale Hospital is there ready & waiting, but whilst it has beds and equipment there no staff to be able to man it.

It’ll be fine - we are still part of europe - we can import some workers 🤭

[eeyoreish]

So today my Dad had his knee replacement op postponed again indefinitely because the NHS is still holding onto all beds in private hospitals, which they were supposed to release in October. 

It’s a sorry state of affairs when someone who has worked all his life and is willing to fund the surgery himself privately, still can’t get it done because the NHS is preventing the private sector doing it. 

My Dad has Parkinson’s and being unable to exercise because of his knee is only going to make that worse. Besides the physical pain, he and my Mum are totally distraught that he now faces more months of pain with no clue when he might be able to get it done.

Something is very wrong here when the hardworking people of this nation are simply pushed aside, despite what we might hear on the news.

[rjwooll]

I just watched part of the cross examination of Whitty and Vallance by the parliamentary science and technology committee. I was hoping for a real challenge but, to paraphrase good ol’ Denis Healey, it was like watching someone being savaged by a dead sheep.

Prof Whitty’s latest scare statistic is to compare the few hundred in hospital that tested positive for Covid in early September (at its low point) with the roughly 11000 now, with the implicit threat that numbers would continue to increase at this rate. He doesn’t mention that numbers seem to have peaked last week and are not following the trajectory described by the various graphs of doom their models produce, nor that the rise in Covid treatments is mirrored by a reduction in flu treatments. Excess death rates are not above last year by any significant amount which of course they would be If we were truly in the grip of a pandemic.

Like many here, I’m angry that our prosperity, businesses, livelihoods and freedoms are being placed under threat, and that we are seeing loved ones who need treatment and care suffer unnecessarily.

Like most other people I will continue to follow the rules but strongly believe that we should challenge the evidence base for the government’s measures where we see inconsistencies.

[Barrykearley]

Peak global death rate has been 8400 in a day  - he’s predicting the uk could see death rates of 4000 a day..... anyone else think that’s unlikely.

im sure this chap has got previous with bird flu and foot and mouth predictions 

[Barrykearley]

[Clive59]

This is quite depressing, but worth a read. WTF is going on?

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-covid-physicians-true-coronavirus-timeline/?fbclid=IwAR2We1N8-MjM460d4cvwYtOKcuuC8XqUiw5Mz5yhy-MtNtfS96dMsDdT2B4

[SFO]

5 hours ago, eeyoreish said:

So today my Dad had his knee replacement op postponed again indefinitely because the NHS is still holding onto all beds in private hospitals, which they were supposed to release in October. 

It’s a sorry state of affairs when someone who has worked all his life and is willing to fund the surgery himself privately, still can’t get it done because the NHS is preventing the private sector doing it. 

My Dad has Parkinson’s and being unable to exercise because of his knee is only going to make that worse. Besides the physical pain, he and my Mum are totally distraught that he now faces more months of pain with no clue when he might be able to get it done.

Something is very wrong here when the hardworking people of this nation are simply pushed aside, despite what we might hear on the news.

This is very distressing and must be extremely annoying. 
 

we appear to be repeating the same mistakes all over again .. prioritising CV19 actual and potential above absolutely everything else.
 

Sheer fcuking madness