Coronavirus

[C8RKH]

Which is why I am only going out for food shopping or to isolate in one of my Hethel beauties. I really do not have a clue why the tens of thousands of fcukjockeys are out and about, queuing outside of Primark and Next and generally just being a dick on packed beaches etc.

Maybe I'm the weirdo, but I have no wish to get Covid and so for me, I'm happy in my bubble and everyone else can fcuk off and stay away lol......

[Bibs]

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

So who’s been on a regular airline flight since the travel restrictions were eased? My first one is on Monday. I’m dipping my toe in gently with a 1 hour flight to Germany and back 2 days later. Got my masks!

I’m also (re-)booked on a return BA flight to India on 1 August. CV-19 is kicking off big time over there and there haven’t been any flights for months, so I can’t see that changing in the next 19 days and obviously hope it doesn’t. When I go on-line to Manage my booking, it’s still showing as a normal flight booking, but they will provide a Future Travel Voucher.

Edit. Just applied for and received the BA voucher. It’s a business trip, so not my own money to refund anyway. I now have until April 2022 to sort something else out.

Edited July 13, 2020 by LotusLeftLotusRight

[C8RKH]

My daughter works for BA and says the flights have been dead (sic).

I used to travel by plane every week pre COVID. I have no inclination right now to get on a plane to anywhere. Thankfully my work are being sensible about travel too so I'm not under pressure to travel at all. In fact in the UK we've just had our best ever H1 for sales!  Go figure!

[Sparky]

@C8RKH how's her job looking?

[Bibs]

11 new COVID deaths yesterday in the UK. 

[C8RKH]

40 minutes ago, Sparky said:

@C8RKH how's her job looking?

OK but I think she has decided to leave!

[Sparky]

A wise move, methinks.

[Chillidoggy]

3 hours ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

So who’s been on a regular airline flight since the travel restrictions were eased? My first one is on Monday. I’m dipping my toe in gently with a 1 hour flight to Germany and back 2 days later. Got my masks!

If anything happens, and you don’t make it, can I have the Evora?

[mg4lotus]

Not everything is known about Covid-19 but you don't need to be a professor to see what is happening in the Americas, probably due to the policies they are following.

[ramjet]

Or aren't following.

[mayevora]

[ChrisJ]

I won't be wearing a mask, so I won't be going to any shops - exactly the opposite to what the government is hoping to promote. 

I've just signed up for milk deliveries, start Thursday, and have a couple of trial meat and fish deliveries from online butchers and fishmongers coming on Friday.

Going to visit my local farm shop tomorrow to check out their fruit & veg, and will have dried stuff delivered from Amazon or a Supermarket - although we still have a huge box full of this from February which I stocked up on before all the hoarding started.

I don't go to any other shops as I but everything else (from swimming pools to PC parts) on-line.

Although, must get my hair cut this weekend before the mask edict comes into force, then that's me sorted until the end of the year - last cut was Dec 2019, and normally every 2-3 months. Last time I let my wife cut it, it was a "bit" of a disaster.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Barrykearley]

[scotty435]

2 hours ago, ChrisJ said:

I won't be wearing a mask, so I won't be going to any shops - exactly the opposite to what the government is hoping to promote. 

I've just signed up for milk deliveries, start Thursday, and have a couple of trial meat and fish deliveries from online butchers and fishmongers coming on Friday.

Going to visit my local farm shop tomorrow to check out their fruit & veg, and will have dried stuff delivered from Amazon or a Supermarket - although we still have a huge box full of this from February which I stocked up on before all the hoarding started.

I don't go to any other shops as I but everything else (from swimming pools to PC parts) on-line.

Although, must get my hair cut this weekend before the mask edict comes into force, then that's me sorted until the end of the year - last cut was Dec 2019, and normally every 2-3 months. Last time I let my wife cut it, it was a "bit" of a disaster.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Cutting your nose to spite your face.

[tim_marra]

2 hours ago, ChrisJ said:

last cut was Dec 2019, and normally every 2-3 months.

Was he pissed when he did it? Or do you prefer the high forehead and receding hairline 

[ChrisJ]

9 hours ago, scotty435 said:

Cutting your nose to spite your face.

Why?

Are you happy to wear a mask in a shop? Will you wear a mask at your place of work (as this seems to be coming next)?

If it is so dangerous to shop that we need to wear a mask, why not immediately? Why is it being delayed until the 24th July? Why wasn't it introduced at the height of the pandemic - at which time it would have made more sense? Why haven't we all dropped down dead over the past few months when we have all been out shopping without this vital protection?

It seems that twitter froths, the BBC revels in it and the government reacts. 

I have no wish to wear a mask, and have no need to do, so as the only shop I visit is a supermarket, so I have taken steps so that I don't have to visit one - I'll see if the produce is better/worse than the supermarket when it arrives. If worse, there are plenty of alternatives out there. 

If you wish to wear a mask, that is your prerogative, but this shouldn't be something forced by law, especially as there doesn't seem to be an exit strategy. This virus is not going away, we need to learn to live with it.

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

I think it’s just carrying on from the public transport and planes thing for crowded places. They couldn’t just introduce it immediately, because only a minority of the population have suitable face coverings, so would be unable to go to the shops all of a sudden. They need time to acquire them (that will be big business for some people!). Why didn’t they do it ages ago, if it’s now necessary? Good question.

[Tomsk]

4 minutes ago, ChrisJ said:

This virus is not going away, we need to learn to live with it.

Exactly that. That's where the mask strategy has come from. And you're right that it should have been done much sooner, but as you say, the virus isn't going away so better late than never.

The virus is now in the population in numbers too high to make eradication a possibility until we have a vaccine. The focus of the strategy now is to keep the rate of spread low enough that the health service doesn't become overwhelmed with cases. Wearing a mask has been shown to reduce virus transmission where people are in close proximity and/or enclosed spaces and therefore enforced wearing of masks in those spaces makes sense.

In a democratic society, the greater good trumps individual rights in this case.  Same goes for child vaccination programmes.

[ChrisJ]

The mask strategy doesn't seem to have come from anywhere other than the "government seen to be doing something". They have scared the population into staying inside, now they are trying to get them out and about, but saying it is too dangerous to go into shops.

Why are the shop workers being exempted from covering their faces? https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/supermarket-staff-face-covering-rule-george-eustice-a4497426.html - although this is from a government minister and another one will probably say completely the opposite tomorrow.

Are you going to wear a mask to the shops? Are you going to wear a mask in the office?

 

 

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

On 04/07/2020 at 21:28, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

They’re like wild animals freed from the zoo around here. Non stop drinking from midday and driving their cars. Still hard at it outside. They moved many of the remotely located picnic tables together to make nice big Coronavirus groups. It’s much worse than even I expected and I am used to these idiots. I am sure they’ll be plenty in A&E tonight. Great Britain indeed.

Just a quick update on this. Turns out the Council’s Senior Environmental Health Officer went on a tour of the local pubs on that day they all re-opened. He wanted to check that they were all following the new regulations to protect their staff and customers. Everywhere he visited was complying until he got to our local. He was flabbergasted. The police were called and the crowds dispersed. Action has since been taken against the pub management and last weekend was a completely different scenario. They’re treading on very thin ice now.

On another point I went to play cricket with my two boys in the local park yesterday evening. Whilst we were there a local kids’ football team turned up and basically took over half the field for training. There was zero social distancing or any CV-19 measures taken. 14 boys (approx. 10 year-olds) all training and then splitting into two teams and playing practice matches against each other. All this whilst 10+ parents were huddled around a park bench gassing to each other. One of my sons plays for the local youth football club. That club has had to follow FA instructions and put in umpteen new measures for pre-season training: eg. bubbles of max 5 players + 1 coach, specific mapped out training areas per group, hand sanitizer and ball disinfectant stations, 30 minute gaps between sessions, parents to leave the site or at least stay in their cars, etc. What’s the point in clubs following the FA instructions, if others just ignore them?

[ramjet]

21 minutes ago, ChrisJ said:

Are you going to wear a mask to the shops? Are you going to wear a mask in the office?

Already do. Both at work and at the shops.
Not a directive, just makes sense. 

[andydclements]

There seems to be a very different attitude in the UK (and Europe) vs Asia. We seem to object to a mask being worn, yet Asia where they've been living with the threat of SARS for a while, seem to consider it unforgivably impolite to fail to wear a mask. 

The  masks seem to give very little protection to the wearer, I don't know why but guess the fact that the mucus membrane of the eyes still being exposed has something to do with it. So for me, the fact that I'm wearing a mask isn't going make me feel safer (unless it's a full face covering with a proven level of filtration) The masks do seem to give some small protection to others from infected people if the infected person wears a mask, so I'l feel less exposed to the virus when I'm in a shop if all others are wearing masks. I have no desire to unwitting infect others (if I have the virus and am asymptomatic),  nor do I have a desire to be infected by either others who do so unwittingly or knowingly, as such I'm pleased the masks are to be mandated. 

By giving us several days notice, it gives people time to either buy or fashion an item (I bought some at the weekend when it seemed obvious the rules were coming),  not that people really have to make something, a simple piece of fabric wrapped around is enough. I get why they weren't mandated early on, for the simple reason that we had a shortage of medical-grade ones for front-line medical staff so the minor improvement for general public would have been outweighed by the massive problem it would have caused for medical staff. We're now at the point where things that make people feel safe are possible even if they don't make much difference, a bit like the old instructions in case of nuclear attack (which translate to building a self-burial spot under stairs but are labelled as building a shelter).

[Sparky]

Fortunately, Tracy's a bit of a whizzkid on the sewing machine.

[910Esprit]

That looks like a viable business opportunity....