Evora market watch, for discussion and to help those searching!

[exeterjeep]

24 minutes ago, Bling said:

GT410 non sport seems rare

@EGTE has one for sale it's currently with SWLC in Devon.

[Bling]

Thanks @exeterjeep - saw that but at that price, you can get an Emira with lower mileage and a Lotus warranty, hence my questions.

 

The Sport version at least has lots of carbon fibre which makes it a bit more special compared to an Emira but I am not sure what the non Sport has going for it over an Emira.

[EGTE]

Better steering feel, more power, lighter than an Emira. Much, much rarer. Plus it's an Evora.

[Rancid]

I’ve just bought a 410 Sport and could’ve had a lightly used Emira for just a few £k more.

The Emira doesn’t really interest me - I’m sick of touch screens and the like…

[scotty435]

Having owned a few Evora’s my last a GT 410 sport and many other Lotus cars don’t get distracted by the typical Evora owner saying there cars are the superior car, believe me they are not having driven a few Emira’s now they are a much better car than any Evora I have owned, not just in Looks, build quality is night and day not to mention the quality of materials used in the Emira. If anyone can notice a decrease of 10 bhp from a 410 must be a driving god. Probably will get some flack on here for posting this reply but just trying to give my honest opinion, if i was putting a big chunk of money on a lotus, it would be something nearly new with manufacturers warranty and a car that drives like its predecessor which is fantastic and looks like a mini Supercar.

[C8RKH]

I don't disagree with anything you've said there @scotty435.

However, the Evora is more analogue, rare, and raw, and some people will just prefer that.

It's why I won't swap my 410 for an Emira. I like the rawness of my car and to be honest the fit and build quality has been fantastic. Not sure why people knock it. Sure, it's maybe not as "stylish" as say a Cayman but if you look around the Cayman there's a lot of hard plastics etc. Might look good, but in reality not really better. All show, or as we say around here, all fur coat an nae knickers. To me, that's the Emira too!

 

 

[Rancid]

No denying the Emira looks great, and is probably better built than any Lotus before it, but to me it just didn’t feel ‘better’.

It didn’t feel ‘Lotus’ to me either. Not easy to describe how I felt about it tbh.

I don’t want an easy driving weekend car anymore, which I feel the Emira is and Lotus have done a great job of enticing virgin Lotus owners to the brand who want just that, but to me they’ve missed the best years of ‘analogue’ Lotus and will only know ‘digital’ Lotus.

That said, I hope it keeps the brand alive, even if it means electrification…

[C8RKH]

It's an interesting discussion both @Rancid and @scotty435.

People want and enjoy different things from their cars.

As an example, I've just put my VX220 back on the road after 2 years off.

It weighs under 900kg and has 260 bhp. It has NO sound proofing and I removed the radio because it was pointless 

It rattles. A lor. It crashes over potholes, some of it brutal 

It's noisy. It's a pig to get in and out. The unassisted steering is a bitch for slow speed manouvering.

It scares the shit out of me on really bad roads with horrible camber changes.

BUT - on twisties, in 3rd gear, the acceleration is instant and brutal. The whine from the supercharger builds and just adds more theatre. The way you build speed so quickly is mind blowing. That unassisted steering becomes light, accurate and addictive.

AND, I can take the roof off.

In 2 days I've done 600 miles in it. All of them smiling (well, the odd grimace, and the odd "fook me" face) and not necessarily at warp speeds - just driving the twisties, minimal braking, no corner cutting. 

My worry now is that the 410 Evora might just gather dust iver the summer 

I suppose my point is that cars are subjective. Emotional. Irrational. I guess that is why we are here.

The Emira is a great car. However, for the same money you can have a GT4. For the cost of a used Emira you could have a Boxster or Cayman 4.0 GTS. Those cars are direct competitors, and make compelling ownership propositions. Will be similar to daily drive, own and drive.

The Evora you could argue is a lesser car. But to do so seriously misses the point. It's a more "honest" car. It's not trying to impress with its fur coat and no knickers approach of the Emira.

I think personally, I'd have the Porsche over the Emira, IF, that was the type of car I wanted.

Getting back into the bargain basement VX has reminded me what an untamed experience can deliver.

It's funny, but I find ex Evora owners are quick to decry it, shout out about its deficiencies, even though when they owned one it was the best thing since an air fryer! Personally, I think the Evora is the most under appreciated sports car of the last 15 years.

If you like bells, whistles, fur coats, and a painted, made up face, then the Emira is undoubtedly a "better" car, but the Evora will always be the older,  wilder sister you always wanted to shag, as opposed to the one you settled for and married.😜🤣

Just my view. Not everyone will agree for sure.

 

[Bruss]

it was the best thing since an air fryer

Damning with faint praise 🤣

 

 

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

What does fried air taste like anyway? Chicken?

[tim_marra]

4 hours ago, C8RKH said:

The Emira is a great car. However, for the same money you can have a GT4. For the cost of a used Emira you could have a Boxster or Cayman 4.0 GTS. Those cars are direct competitors, and make compelling ownership propositions. Will be similar to daily drive, own and drive.

Based on points, a Pork will inevitably score more than a Lotus  

[Bling]

Interesting points from @scotty435 and @C8RKH- one comment though saying that the Evora is analogue compared to the Emira. I thought that all the underpinnings of the Emira were the same therefore what is less analogue in teh Emira ?

[Bibs]

Tyres, wheels, hub carriers, dampers, springs, anti-roll bars, steering rack, steering column and steering wheel are different between the cars. Basically everything from the road to your hands has changed on the Emira.

[MattyB]

On 26/04/2024 at 23:43, MattyB said:

£35,500+Fees (£38k) seems like really strong money for a 2+0 IPS which looks like it's not had a particularly easy life. That being said, I suspect the suspension is worth a pretty penny alone. Ohlins for the Evora are £8k!

So this:
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2015-lotus-evora-400

Which previously "sold" for £38k but now reporting as "Unsold" (wonder why the buyer pulled out?) is now back up for sale a bit cheaper:

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/16757152

"Open to offers" so could make for a good buy if you're after one for a bit of track work too.

[Benny90210]

 

High miler for sale: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285873122453?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=rPr_PtbWSVS&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=HYzbQ19dSgy&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

Struggling with the “private Hannah plate” 🤣

[TdM]

You can always change your name to match. Important to show commitment.

[Cdm2018]

Having been on factory tour and speaking to staff about how the Evora was built in comparison to Emira, it is like day to night in jump in overall quality.

my 12 yr old Evora was getting a tad rough by 6 and I can’t see that an Emira in 10 years will be in state like a hand built Evora? If I had a couple of £1ks I would be easily spending of restoring the very worn interior & still holding back £2k for clutch replacement. 
My EVORA is in my local lotus garage and after 3 weeks I get it back minus £1k of work. 
would I exchange it for Emira probably not if I could go with 410 ? 

[jep]

I'll take a hand-built Lotus anyday over any other car. 

[Brian Braddock]

The Evora was a once in a generation unrepeatable event - the first and last all new petrol Lotus since the Elise. It was engineered, designed and developed by a who’s who team of Lotus legends with direct links to the Chapman era, including Roger Becker and Mike Kimberley who worked closely with Colin Chapman for years. Then we have to mention the likes of Tony Shute, Richard Rackham, Steve Crijns, Russell Carr among others hugely respected in the car industry. The Evora was further refined and continuously developed by Matt Becker and Gavan Kershaw who also raced it with remarkable success using much of the road car’s hardware - including the forged aluminium wishbones fitted to every Evora which were intentionally over-engineered for a new Esprit and proved tough enough to handle endurance racing. It remains a work of unappreciated genius and was benchmarked during the development of a number of other sports cars including the Ferrari 458.

Emira production has been hit by endless delays and problems, many cars have numerous well documented issues, several still unresolved, more problems than I remember the Evora having. Obviously teething problems are to be expected with a brand new production facility but Lotus have struggled to get on top of them and there is little evidence to date to suggest quality has really been improved. Most of what is great about the Emira in terms of how it drives is directly down to the fundamental excellence of its predecessor. When you consider the work on the Evora also led directly to the Exige V6 its importance in Lotus road car history cannot be understated. That driving position, the placement of all the controls was set very precisely by Roger Becker himself. Not a committee concerned with where obese Americans are going to put their super gulp XXL drinks.

It’s great that the Emira has found so many buyers new to Lotus who neither know nor care anything about the car to which it owes so much or the team behind it. But for those here that do, the Emira has very big shoes to fill.

[Daveb99]

Returning to the thread topic….I can confirm that the silver 400 on PH has now sold 🙂

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/15830870

[Bling]

So has the high mileage Evora

[CocoPops]

Evora market definitely seems constrained

Dad is looking for one.

Ideally £40-45k, last of the SportRacer SC or maybe first of the 400s.
He's looking for a bright colour (not black/white/grey).

[CocoPops]

Anyone know anything about this SR?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202310183123772

 

[TrevS]

 It was first listed for sale by the owner last year at £45k. Not sure if this dealer owns the car or its sale or return but here is the original listing from the Facebook group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/LotusEvora/permalink/2661431627366722/
 

Trev