The 131 engine

[ramjet]

Cosworth? But what would I know........  

[Corsu]

It should be the A35 version, not the A45.

[gregs24]

17 hours ago, electro_boy said:

I think the Merc AMG M139 engine has a too high power output and would be too close to the V6.   It would have to be a detuned version or a non AMG version of the engine.

What about something from the Ford eco boost range?  They are often sold as crate engines and used by other smaller manufacturers?

Ford are all 3 cylinder now except the 4 cylinder 2.3 in the Focus ST which is a cracking engine

 

The 2.0 Ecoboost was dropped a couple of years ago

[Spinney]

What about a Renault 2L turbo engine, given they will be partnering with them in the future? There is a precedent from the S1 Europa too.  

[DarrylV8]

@electro_boy do you know what the V6 is and power output? apologies if i have missed a post.

[electro_boy]

Not a clue, just going off the speculation that it will be another Toyota derived V6.  Either the one that's currently used the 2GR-FE or one of the newer variants that Toyota make with better emissions.   So it's likely that it will produce similar sort of power output around the ~430/450hp, unless Lotus decide to strap a turbo or two?

The M139 engine produces ~415hp so its way too close.  The V6 would have to produce closer to 500hp for there to be enough separation between the two.  I also think 400hp is too high for the entry level engine.  

So I can see Lotus going for one of the less performant i4 engines that Merc offer.  I think around 300hp should be about right for the entry level model.

*** Edit: I've just seen on the other threads one of the car mags confirmed V6 will be Toyota derived and supercharged.  From the brief research I've done on Toyota V6 engines, I think that puts the engine in the mid 400 hp category as they are small incremental improvements to things like emissions etc so vaguely the same engines.  I don't think Lotus will be opening up the engines and changing internals only bolt on upgrades so if they are currently getting 430hp out the engine I can see Lotus increasing this by a bit but I don't think we're going to get close to 500hp.

Edited April 30, 2021 by electro_boy

[PAR]

2GR-FE probably replaced by 2GR-FKS. Output is not that different. I am pretty sure with the supercharger it gets a 430-500bhp range so it is all down to gearbox. I am not sure what aisin gearbox works for that.

[Likuid]

8 hours ago, electro_boy said:

Not a clue, just going off the speculation that it will be another Toyota derived V6.  Either the one that's currently used the 2GR-FE or one of the newer variants that Toyota make with better emissions.   So it's likely that it will produce similar sort of power output around the ~430/450hp, unless Lotus decide to strap a turbo or two?

The M139 engine produces ~415hp so its way too close.  The V6 would have to produce closer to 500hp for there to be enough separation between the two.  I also think 400hp is too high for the entry level engine.  

So I can see Lotus going for one of the less performant i4 engines that Merc offer.  I think around 300hp should be about right for the entry level model.

*** Edit: I've just seen on the other threads one of the car mags confirmed V6 will be Toyota derived and supercharged.  From the brief research I've done on Toyota V6 engines, I think that puts the engine in the mid 400 hp category as they are small incremental improvements to things like emissions etc so vaguely the same engines.  I don't think Lotus will be opening up the engines and changing internals only bolt on upgrades so if they are currently getting 430hp out the engine I can see Lotus increasing this by a bit but I don't think we're going to get close to 500hp.

The car better be pretty light if the entry level is 300HP. I am just not convinced that Lotus can make a car light enough at that price point with current safety regulations. Hope I am wrong.

One article, I don't remember which one now, claimed "373kw" which is 500HP for the V6. Honestly if the top of the line Emira doesn't come with 500HP+ or doesn't lose some noticeable weight over the Evora it will be a big fail by Lotus IMO. Evora 2.0. Maybe a great car to drive, terrible sales. Especially if the car costs north of £85k. That said, I have no idea what the Emira is. Is it more in the Elige class or the Evora class? Or something in-between. Obviously that makes a difference. As does price. All I know if Lotus brings out another car that most people consider underpowered for its price it won't sell. The Lotus name alone doesn't have the cache to sell cars, they got to bring something more to the table. Considering the Emira may be the only car they have for a few years on the market, if it sells poorly that's not going to help the dealership network at all, which means even less sales.

[LotusLeftLotusRight]

The 500 bhp quote was random drivel from an Australian website. They claimed to have got their information from a UK Autocar magazine report. No such story exists. It’s just fake news.

The base 4 cylinder version should start from below £60k and the V6 from £85k upwards. If correct, I don’t think the pricing is at all high. Judging from the Evora mule photos, it will have a similar wheelbase with a slightly wider track, but is a strict two seater, so rather like an Evora 2+0. It’s going to be nearer Evora weight, than Exige/Elise, so yes 300 bhp isn’t a huge amount for the 4 cylinder version.

[PAR]

I think the 4cyl (2l) will provide a massive tax/emission advantage in many markets and that would make it such a great value for money compared to what is out there.

Not as much of a difference in the UK so I guess people may still get the V6 but in many markets it means the 4cyl will be less than half the price of a V6.

[Likuid]

18 hours ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

The 500 bhp quote was random drivel from an Australian website. They claimed to have got their information from a UK Autocar magazine report. No such story exists. It’s just fake news.

The base 4 cylinder version should start from below £60k and the V6 from £85k upwards. If correct, I don’t think the pricing is at all high. Judging from the Evora mule photos, it will have a similar wheelbase with a slightly wider track, but is a strict two seater, so rather like an Evora 2+0. It’s going to be nearer Evora weight, than Exige/Elise, so yes 300 bhp isn’t a huge amount for the 4 cylinder version.

Honestly I am unsure what news is legit about the Emira. Most websites did articles that don't even quote anyone from Lotus, but state things as if they were fact. I have seen articles saying it uses Toyota V6 and another almost same day saying it doesn't use a Toyota engine. Honestly I am not even sure why its even to Lotus's advantage to ever say anything at this point, unless its something that is going to create hype. Telling the press "yeah there will be a Toyota V6 version in manual and torque converter auto" doesn't really fill people with excitement for the car. Makes most people think its just a differently looking 2-seater Evora.

At this point unless its a press release directly from Lotus I think I am just going to wait and see what July brings.

[mg4lotus]

Having an Evora NA with 276bhp that can be driven at reckless speeds on public roads it wouldn't worry me that the Emira came with a 300bhp engine that was lighter weight.

However, I can understand it when some people are saying the Emira needs to be competitive in the sports car market and for some that will come down to numbers.

[Bee]

The £55K 300bhp entry-level model will be road tested against the £55K 300bhp Cayman S (and probably the 250bhp Alpine A110) by just about everyone. When it comes down to the general public's opinion as to whether Lotus has produced a competitor, which has no compromises (i.e. genuinely becoming a potential purchase for thousands, whom would not have chosen a Lotus before) it's fair to say that it has to come out on top in the majority of those road tests. 

 

With the Cayman S and A110 doing the 0-60mph times in 4.7s/4.5s respectively (and Porsche famously underquotes), the 300bhp Emira needs to be in that region or better. I imagine it will especially be compared to the A110 as it would be embarrassing for Lotus if Alpine out-Lotused Lotus by producing a faster accelerating car, with less power, by virtue of its lightweight construction...

 

In fact, given that the last of the Elises were going for close to £50K, it is going to be compared with them, too, and although it will undoubtedly be superior in all kinds of ways, it is likely going to be knocked if it's half a second slower to the 0-60bhh benchmark.

 

It's quite a competitive end of the market, to be honest. It will be interesting seeing it in group tests with the Cayman S, Alpine A110 and likely Toyota Supra and Z4 M40i, too!

 

Personally, however, I think Lotus will nail it: for the first time, they've had the backing and resources to really show what they can do. Competitors? Bring 'em on!

 

 

[brightoncorgi]

Was a local car show yesterday and Exige S owner was there.  We have both read all the same articles, forum threads and presentations.  His take away is that the Toyota engine in any spec is unlikely.  My take away is the V6 is going to be a Toyota and hunch the 4 cylinder is a Volvo.  I think he may've thought 4 cylinder would be Volvo

Same sources, different interpretations.  We were also quite apart on expected US sale prices for the Emira.

[thebartman]

Wow !!!

I'm not in the market for an Emira (just can't afford it), and I'm not an engine mechanic who knows the amazing amount of knowledge all the posts in this thread contain, however,

Is there a possibility of the appearance of the 2021 incarnation of the Pektron Inverter ?  

[cobwatch]

Geely are majority shareholders of Lotus. Just. Everyone is forgetting about Etika Automotive who own 49%. EA is really just a cover-name for the same Malaysian billionaire who continues to have a majority holding in DRB-Hicom, Interesting holdings when you dive into that side of things. Fundamentally this is an insurance led business with an automotive distribution component that is a very big player in Malaysia. Proton remains linked, but a deep dive does indeed reveal other automotive component and manufacturing businesses.

A famous engine manufacturer? That is a proper tease, but who pops up? Yamaha. Who design and/or manufacture engines for Volvo, Toyota, Lexus. A proper and current motorsport heritage. Lotus would naturally emphasise that link. 

If it is a continuation of the Toyota V6 type, with a different/upgraded gearbox you could expect horsepower to begin at 430 and stretch out to 460 with later editions.

 

[C8RKH]

33 minutes ago, cobwatch said:

DRB-Hicom

Given their heavy involvement in defence, does that mean we could see the Emira JB007 special with ejector seat, missiles, and what3words guidance system?

Outlandish maybe, but then so is just about every other post in this thread. If you don't know for sure, don't post, as otherwise it is just the usual internet BS and speculation and conspiracy theory (did I tell you 5G is really about population control and those waves are rendering 70% of the male population impotent?)

Why can't we just wait and see what is launched?

[cobwatch]

Good morning to you too, C8RKH. Wrong side of the bed is it? "If you don't know for sure, don't post..."  A 007 missile-firing special could be fun. Unlike you...

[C8RKH]

Nope. In a good mood actually, just a little tired of the conjecture that is going round in circles from people who know absolutely nothing other than what they have gleaned from some internet articles. A couple of people have provided some good intelligent insights, but the majority of the "insights" have been drivel. Just an opinion. And like everyone these days I'm entitled to one 

Stay safe. Stay healthy. 

 

[brightoncorgi]

Was at the Lotus dealer yesterday and they said there's are rumors on it being electric that did not make sense to them since they previous heard it was multiple engine formats as we've all been discussing.

[Bibs]

Your dealer needs to read their comms and watch Lotus' very own video where the MD states it's ICE! Blimey!

[brightoncorgi]

I am not sure the source they heard that it was going to be electric.  Could've been a customer? 

The dealership thought it would be ICE based on what Lotus has directly promoted.

[Bibs]

They're probably better off listening to Lotus than elsewhere, they're a pretty reliable source on what cars they're making!

[Barrykearley]

That’s tosh @Bibs - I’ve got a mate down the pub who’s sisters husbands cousin knows an Amazon guy who’s brother spoke to a source who has a direct link into the factory. It’s gonna be a tesla motor 👍

[exeterjeep]

Sounds like Mystic Meg.